PhoenixFire
International Coach
Gerrard = Hideously overated.
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The Gerrard/Lampard dilemma & a look at England's road to Euro 2008
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GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
Nah, he was great in Euro 2004 (he was, IMO, actually our best player in that tournament, but Rooney took all the credit, fat **** that he is)
He was our top scorer in WC qualifying, and voted England player of the year 2005. He had a great year in an England shirt between tournaments.
So a striker deserves more praise than a midfileder for scoring 5 goals? Logical
I don't get you Halsey, half the time you make great sense, and then other times you sound like somebody who knows nothing about football. Is this anti-Chelsea bias, or are you just stupid?
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
Disagree
steds, don't be a bully btw, a Sports forum being created makes the "too many soccer threads" thread invalid, and you know it!!!
Tom Halsey
International Coach
To a certain extent, yes - it is a striker's job to score goals, it is merely a bous for a midfielder.So a striker deserves more praise than a midfileder for scoring 5 goals? Logical
I don't get you Halsey, half the time you make great sense, and then other times you sound like somebody who knows nothing about football. Is this anti-Chelsea bias, or are you just stupid?
I've already said that I don't think Lampard was bad during WC qualifying - he was average, much like most of the team - the original post about Lampard having always been **** for England was an overreaction, but he was hardly as good as everyone seems to make out.
sledger
Spanish_Vicente
RUBBISH, englands best player of that tournament was ashley cole.
This whole frank lampard debate to me is a load of nonsense, the simple fact is that he is not very good, radio5 raised the point long ago that "frank lampards amount of goals often mask the fact that he has put in a very poor/mediocre performance" and i'd be inclined to agree, the only difference between his performances now and those of a few months ago is that the goals have dried up, better than his father? balls he is, he isnt as good as jamie redknapp.
Tom Halsey
International Coach
Thankyou for putting the argument across a lot better than I ever managed.
Pup Clarke
Cricketer Of The Year
The reason for Lampard not playing well for England is actually quite simple.With Chelsea he has Makelele behind him playing as a defensive midfielder and this means that Lampard can influence the game higher up the pitch and he doesn't need to worry about tracking back as much as he knows Makelele is there.When Lampard and Gerrard play together Lampard is the one who drops back and collects passes from the back 4 which is something Makelele does for Chelsea.This means that Lampard can't influence the game as much and he is not higher up the pitch with alot of freedom to pass or go for a shot.This severely limits his game as we all know he doesn't really dribble with the ball and can't run at people due to his lack of pace.If for eg Hargreaves and Lampard were in the midfield Lampard would be able to dictate play and play higher up the pitch meaning his passes would be telling and worthwile.You have to get the best out of Lamprd by playing the correct system.This is why Gerrard and Lampard will never play well together and one of them will have to be sacrificed.
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
The name Paul Scholes springs to mind...
Tom Halsey
International Coach
The goals of Scholes don't hide mediocre performances though.
Scaly piscine
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Well his tackling is rubbish and he gives the ball away a lot for a midfielder. Probably creates more goals than Lampard tho
Tom Halsey
International Coach
Yeah his tackling is obviously rubbish, but that isn't really his game tbh. Ideally he'd play in the hole behind the front two but we don't generally play that way, so he plays in midfield, where he still creates goals.
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
What exactly do they hide then, because all I can remember of him for a long time in an England shirt was that he was pretty much anonymous except when he was in the right place at the right time...
Pup Clarke
Cricketer Of The Year
Isn't that a good thing?
Tom Halsey
International Coach
Paul Scholes was rubbish for England for a long time due to the idiocy of Sven playing him on the left.
Craig
World Traveller
Name us one player who wasn't tried there? Didn't Heskey play there a bit for some reason?
Tom Halsey
International Coach
Yep, Heskey was playing there for a while too. What annoyed me was that Scholes was one of our most important players, but **** on the left. At least Heskey was rubbish wherever he played...