Archived [10/08/07] Battrick

[dontcloseyoureyes]

I've seen worse go for close to 3.

 

[chaminda_00]

Not too worried either way. If he sells i can improve the balance of my batting line up. If he doesn't then i can sell him later when i've finished him off at quailty for 3 mil or so.

 

[roseboy64]

Becuase I found someone else to bid on, you idiot. Don't ever address me again, you've got to be the dumbest person on this planet (bar your friend up there who had no idea how to use MS Word... wtf?). Personally, I'd back andmark in an IQ test.

Bit of an overreaction IMO. Calm down. Was a reasonable question. Geez. Don't let personal dislike cloud your judgement.

 

[mikeW]

Vic Barry (1109696)
LH Batsman, LH Spin Bowler, respectable batting form, respectable bowling form, lively
A cautious player with worthless leadership skills and abysmal experience.

Plays For: Victoria Panthers
Nationality: South Africa
Age: 17 Years Old
Battrick Rating: 4,039
Wages: £495 p/w

Stamina: competent Wicket Keeping: worthless
Batting: competent Concentration: mediocre
Bowling: worthless Consistency: worthless
Fielding: feeble


Anyone have any ideas how far hes from Respectable? I just bought him for 100k.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

He's a loooong way IIRC.

 

[mikeW]

Thats alright. Will just stick 2 batting nets on him until seasons end.

 

[AussieDominance]

By my calculations he is about 40% there so about 5 weeks on 2 nets and about 8 weeks on 1 net.

 

[AussieDominance]

Seems like Australia U19's minimum primary is Wonderful this year I find it striking how Pakistan or other minnow countries can't get 20 committed managers out of 7,500 to train a batsmen or bowler on 5 nets for 3 years or an Allrounder on 8-9 nets for 3 years.

They seriously need to get this Dual Nationality sorted just for their cause.

 

[Adamc]

Stupid comment really, they don't have 7,500 managers at their disposal and given the number of users in the smaller countries they'd be exceptionally lucky to get 20 good YPs per season (say respectable primary, mediocre stamina and secondary). If they can get five of those YPs to be trained that heavily for three seasons they'd be doing well.

Not sure on what authority you're capable of making those sorts of judgments anyhow.

 

[andyc]

Seems like Australia U19's minimum primary is Wonderful this year I find it striking how Pakistan or other minnow countries can't get 20 committed managers out of 7,500 to train a batsmen or bowler on 5 nets for 3 years or an Allrounder on 8-9 nets for 3 years.

They seriously need to get this Dual Nationality sorted just for their cause.

FFS, how ignorant can you get? Pakistan only has 340 active managers, Sri Lanka 181, and West Indies 248. Australia and England have 2360 and 3466 respectively. To put that in context, Australia currently has more users online (329) than West Indies, Pakistan or Sri Lanka have active managers. Of course they're going to be stronger.

 

[Jamee999]

7.5k

 

[trevor_vayro]

Kind'a going to side slightly with Rodgie here. If you overlook his appalling maths, he does kind'a have a point, in that I don't think some of the NTs and U19s do a great deal to help themselves. Okay, I take Andy's point that the vast numbers of users in Aus and Eng mean that they are always going to be more successful by virtue of the law of averages, I also agree with Adam's observation that Resp Yps with good secondaries don't come along all that often, but I still reckon that it's possible to get a semi-competitive side together with as few as twenty or thirty users.

If I were an U19 manager, I'd be getting all my mates to sign up like crazy. Even if they weren't interested in playing the game really - In fact especially if they weren't all that interested in playing the game - As I'd be getting them to act as incubators for my next generation of players. If you had say thirty mates, that gives you 300 nets - Enough to give fifty players six nets each. With that amount of nets at your disposal you could start off with 17YO Meds with okayish secondaries, (Which you're pretty much guaranteed to get every time you pull an YP), and even they'd be getting on for NT standard by their early twenties.

Also kind'a interested in your thoughts about the value of a Qual in their early twenties. Do you really think they could fetch £4M? And if so, would you get more value for your team out of one Qual, or two strong/Sups?

And finally, does anyone have any tips on how to tackle a side with one Super, £69 P/W batsman, but nowt else?

Cheers, Trev

 

[andyc]

And finally, does anyone have any tips on how to tackle a side with one Super, £69 P/W batsman, but nowt else?

Cheers, Trev

Hmmm... if you have a bowler that you reckon has a chance against him, then put him on attacking or very attacking, and then leave everyone else on very defensive. They'll still take wickets (Canning's the only bowler who doesn't bowl on very defensive me, and I still bowl teams out), but they won't be as expensive. If he's got nothing else, then if you manage to get out the gun bat, you should be able to bowl them out regardless of the very defensive setting, or at least restrict them. That's what I'd do at least.

 

[Adamc]

It's pretty simple in theory to build an NT the way you mentioned Trev but in practice it's a lot harder. The vast majority of people just aren't willing to prostitute their team for someone else. It's a bit of a sore point for me as a former NT manager, but the U19 job is about a dozen times harder and I'd never bother to do it personally.

In all honesty I don't think there are more than 80 genuinely active teams in WI. There are only about 20-30 that participate actively (i.e. on sledging or in the offsite forum) as well, and most of them are already training NT or U19 players. The majority of teams just drift along doing pretty much nothing then turn bot. The number of active users in WI has been hovering around 250 for the past season or two despite the new sign ups.

Given their numbers it's surprising England and Australia aren't a lot stronger really, though they presumably would have an even lower percentage of genuinely active users. There was a thread in England sledging asking why Graeme Poutney is in the England NT team, and quite rightly as he's nothing special by NT standards.

 

[The Baconator]

Yeah, the Pakistani sledging boards are pretty inactive. There's only a few guys posting there, and they do tend to be fairly active with the NT/U19. I'd never waste all my nets on one player anyway, I'm much more bothered about making my own team better than the NT.

 

[Mahindinho]

In all honesty I don't think there are more than 80 genuinely active teams in WI. There are only about 20-30 that participate actively (i.e. on sledging or in the offsite forum) as well, and most of them are already training NT or U19 players. The majority of teams just drift along doing pretty much nothing then turn bot. The number of active users in WI has been hovering around 250 for the past season or two despite the new sign ups.

Well, that'll be due to the way the game was structured during the beta period and season 1. The vast majority of the people who signed up for the beta were from Hattrick-England, and there were too many for the fledgling BT-England leagues. I can't remember whether the beta was just England.

Adam, you'll know all this, but I thought I'd post it for the newbies.

Either way, come season 1, and lots of people (Whambo and Moon in SL, etc.) signed up for the other leagues (or decided to stay where they were, if the beta had multiple countries - as mentioned, I can't remember). I seriously considered signing up for SL, so I'd be a big fish in a little pond, and of course that's where my cricketing allegiances lie.

A lot of people went for WI, due to the evening (if you're on GMT) matches.

So, you've got all those journeyman users filling up the "minnow" leagues...and many of them will still be there. AFAIK, there still aren't many actual WI/SL/Ind/Pak players. That'll change, slowly, thanks to websites like CW, but it's going to take time. India and Pakistan in particular, I can see as being HUGE in years to come.

I don't know anything much about NZ and SA, but I presume they're mostly full of proper Kiwis and Saffers.

 

[Adamc]

I don't actually know of anyone playing in WI who is a West Indian living in the West Indies. I know of a few West Indians living in the UK, and a few expats living in the West Indies, but the vast majority of the WI users are based in Europe or America. SL is similar. The other countries generally have a well-represented native population though. I'm surprised the subcontinent isn't better-represented, I guess BT doesn't really have an advertising budget yet. If it was somehow advertised through one of the large cricket sites (not necessarily cricinfo, thinking more of the various India-based sites), the number of users would go through the roof.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

I don't actually know of anyone playing in WI who is a West Indian living in the West Indies.

Uhhhhh... Rose?

 

[Adamc]

Haha, I always thought he lived in the UK for some reason. Well, one then.

 

[Magrat Garlick]

If it was somehow advertised through one of the large cricket sites (not necessarily cricinfo, thinking more of the various India-based sites), the number of users would go through the roof.

The server load is bad enough already, thanks...