Shaun Tait-Potential to be the fastest ever?

[chaminda_00]

If it is the same series in which Pak was bowled out at 44 . And Pakistan beat SA on a couple of occasions . In one match Waqar took 5fer against SA and in one match Wasim took 5 wickets .Try to check the clips of a match b/w Pakistan and South Africa (may be the first or the second preliminary match) . I remember Alan Donald bowling at 144kmph ,Wasim was clocked by their machine at 145 and Waqar did clock 155 kmph a few times.

I remember they were experimenting with guns for that series, don't think the guns were very accurate at all though. Some balls from memory were bowled at 120km/h (and we're slower balls) and other were at high 140s.

 

[Craig]

As for some of the pace readings in the 2003 WC, didn't Nehra get clocked pretty highly and would altitude be a factor as well, with the thin air, especially in a place like Johannesburg? Incidently I remember some of the sixes would fly off the bat and were traveling long and high.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Yeah altitude certainly came into it in the '03 WC, but all the games seemed to be clocked up really. I was watching some highlights of the Australia vs Namibia game a few weeks back and McGrath was sending them down in the low 140s fairly regularly. Bichel was clearing 150, and Lee was blistering all tournament, as was Shoaib. Doesn't quite match up with normal speed readings.

 

[ripper868]

Because speed guns have been a staple for longer.

And I am not talking about hard. I am talking about 2-minute-mile impossible.

2 minute mile...thats only 7.5secs per 100 metres....piece of cake....

 

[Craig]

2 minute mile...thats only 7.5secs per 100 metres....piece of cake....

If you are on the moon.

 

[ripper868]

or a jedi...




sense the sarcasm yet?

 

[aussie]

96 was the fastest I ever spotted him clocking-up...

yea in the Natwest series 04 vs the windies.

 

[aussie]

On Tait, its a possiblity no doubt. People rate Thommo as the fastest ever but i don't know if he has ever been officially clocked.

Tait since i last saw him in the Ashes & this summers Ashes opener looks to have gotten a lot faster without doubt. The more he plays his accuracy should improve & he could one day hit 100.

 

[Richard]

Because speed guns have been a staple for longer.

And I am not talking about hard. I am talking about 2-minute-mile impossible.

How have they been around in baseball but not in cricket?

And since when?

 

[Richard]

Tait does look like he has inceased his pace by about 5 to 10 kms, but he looks like he has lost a lot of control. He never seemed to be able to get his control back since his injury a couple seasons. I think he'll be effective at International level without any control.

Without any at all?

 

[Richard]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/1927767.stm
This page has some info ...
And the following is an interesting find by me !!!
http://caribbeancricket.com/news/xxxx/xx/xx/261

That's fascinating...

I wonder why on Earth that SA stuff and the Thomson stuff and the Tyson stuff weren't mentioned in this article? To date, that was the best I've read on speedsters (and was certainly the first), maybe superseded now...

And to think - Tyson bowling at 88mph with a ball with a metal plate on it, with no proper run, and three sweaters...

 

[Goughy]

I dont really trust speed guns in terms of setting records etc. Obviously they be used as a gague to give a good indication of speed, especially compartively against others in the same game.

I rate Waqar very highly (in fact he is one of my favourite bowlers) but Id be interested in seeing footage of him bowl at 155 kph. I remember watching his in the 93/94 tour of New Zealand and he was bowling mid-130s. The same pace Chris Lewis was bowling at roughly the same time.

 

[Richard]

Well he was bowling in the late 80s in mph (in his ONE GAME!!) in WC99, at the age of 30 (28 in the book, but it seems common knowledge that he's actually 2 years older than his official age), so I don't find it completely inconceivable that he was once of the Shoaib pace.

Certainly most people said he was *the fastest* - ahead of both Donald and his partner Wasim - in the mid-1990s.

EDIT: they had speedsters in New Zealand in 1993\94?

 

[FRAZ]

I dont really trust speed guns in terms of setting records etc. Obviously they be used as a gague to give a good indication of speed, especially compartively against others in the same game.

I rate Waqar very highly (in fact he is one of my favourite bowlers) but Id be interested in seeing footage of him bowl at 155 kph. I remember watching his in the 93/94 tour of New Zealand and he was bowling mid-130s. The same pace Chris Lewis was bowling at roughly the same time.

In the near end of his career ,Waqar did bowl in the mid 30's. Waqar was away from the international scene for a little while in the mid 90's and when he came back then he really was bowling quite slower than what once he used to bowl at .
And the reliability of that South African speed gun was good for my eyes atleast because well and truly Alan looked quite the same as Wasim(Speed wise) <And Waqar was very very quick ... ANd as there is this article on bbc one can check that Waqar was clocked quite highly !!!!

 

[FRAZ]

Well he was bowling in the late 80s in mph (in his ONE GAME!!) in WC99, at the age of 30 (28 in the book, but it seems common knowledge that he's actually 2 years older than his official age), so I don't find it completely inconceivable that he was once of the Shoaib pace.

Certainly most people said he was *the fastest* - ahead of both Donald and his partner Wasim - in the mid-1990s.

EDIT: they had speedsters in New Zealand in 1993\94?

The fastest to my eyes bowler was Shabbir (Toronto against WI) .He wasn't clocked and he was well with an un-conventional action ,but he was bowling so fast that it was un-believeable. I wish he was tested by the speed gun then . He was banned soon after that series but boy he was the fastest that I've ever seen!!!!!!!!!

 

[DCC_legend]

has the potential to be the fastest, but probably not one of the greatest fast bowlers ever IMO.

 

[Richard]

As for some of the pace readings in the 2003 WC, didn't Nehra get clocked pretty highly and would altitude be a factor as well, with the thin air, especially in a place like Johannesburg? Incidently I remember some of the sixes would fly off the bat and were traveling long and high.

Virtually all bowlers in that Cup were clocked higher than usual - the altitude presumably being the reason.

With Nehra, of course, he bowled better in that tournament than he has for most of his career - he might also have been a few mph faster to boot.

 

[Richard]

Bichel was clearing 150

Whaaaat? Seriously?

I don't remember that!

 

[Richard]

yea in the Natwest series 04 vs the windies.

And again in the Champions Trophy.

Thought it was against NZ in the NWS... in that game on his home turf which was lost before England even picked-up the ball...

 

[Richard]

The fastest to my eyes bowler was Shabbir (Toronto against WI) .He wasn't clocked and he was well with an un-conventional action ,but he was bowling so fast that it was un-believeable. I wish he was tested by the speed gun then . He was banned soon after that series but boy he was the fastest that I've ever seen!!!!!!!!!

Yeah I heard about that.

Something of a Corey Collymore, has our Shabbir been.