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[Smudge]

I didn't stay in the lounge long enough for Ponting's interview, but in among a fantastic innings from Oram was what I thought was some outstanding death bowling. Certainly, they were guilty of missing their length on a couple of occasions, but by and large it was on the mark, and most certainly the difference between a win and a loss.

 

[NZTailender]

Can't believe we got so close. Just shows you how much Bond might've made the difference, and those dropped catches.


Well done Jacob Oram. A brilliant innings. But Australia bowled great at the detah (McGrath and Lee in particular).

Looking forward to Tuesday. Where's it being played? Hope we bat first

 

[Prince EWS]

How do you like that innings Prince EWS? Still think Oram's ****?

I've never maintained that he's **** - merely that he isn't consistent enough with his batting in ODIs to command a spot in the top 6. He obviously can bat at ODI level - but so can Rajin Saleh - just not consistently enough.

As I said already, it was a top innings. But it doesn't dispell anything I've said really. It showed his ability to bat well and score quickly against quality fast bowling - but we all knew he could do that occassionally. He needs to do it more consistently and stop following it up with 20 innings in a row of scores below 15.

I'd love to see him improve his consistency and become a genuine allrounder at ODI level but he isn't there yet. I never said he shouldn't be in the team or that he was ****. And he still hasn't proven himself to be consistent... talk to me in 6 months time.

 

[Fiery]

Can't believe we got so close. Just shows you how much Bond might've made the difference, and those dropped catches.


Well done Jacob Oram. A brilliant innings. But Australia bowled great at the detah (McGrath and Lee in particular).

Looking forward to Tuesday. Where's it being played? Hope we bat first

Perth again. Poms will get pasted again. Poor buggers

 

[pasag]

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Hahaha

 

[mikeW]

Its fair to say that clarke and symo did a fair job of it with the ball. But if an accomplished spinner in hogg would have played he would have attacked oram and maybe he could have also got his wicket. There was never anything in that pitch for fast bowlers so it was a pretty obvious blunder by the aussies.

I think you should face the fact Hogg isn't that good. He doesnt deserve to be in our best team.

 

[Nemesis27]

Great effort from NZ, really provided an excellent game, the first of the summer really. I was a bit amused with Pontings comments about the bowling at the death however, I thought McGrath in particular was excellent and Lee wasn't too bad either, he was very harsh.

With those kinds of performances and a fully fit squad, NZ could be very competitive in the World Cup.

 

[_Ed_]

I hope that with all the attention (quite rightly) given to Oram's amazing innings the effort of McCullum isn't overlooked - he was absolutely brilliant today, showed how valuable he is to the side.

And that's after what I thought was a great performance behind the stumps in the incredible heat.

 

[Fiery]

I've never maintained that he's **** - merely that he isn't consistent enough with his batting in ODIs to command a spot in the top 6. He obviously can bat at ODI level - but so can Rajin Saleh - just not consistently enough.

As I said already, it was a top innings. But it doesn't dispell anything I've said really. It showed his ability to bat well and score quickly against quality fast bowling - but we all knew he could do that occassionally. He needs to do it more consistently and stop following it up with 20 innings in a row of scores below 15.

I'd love to see him improve his consistency and become a genuine allrounder at ODI level but he isn't there yet. I never said he shouldn't be in the team or that he was ****. And he still hasn't proven himself to be consistent... talk to me in 6 months time.

mmm, see you in 6 months time when he has an average of 30 and a big cup in the trophy cabinet hopefully

 

[Johnners]

The difference was in the fielding imo... great match... heres to hoping Australia bats first more often

 

[Smudge]

And if neither of those things eventuate, Fiery? Will we see you?

 

[Fiery]

I'll take my tongue out of his ass now Voltman. I need some sleep

 

[pup11]

Prince EWS i am not saying hogg is some magic man, but a bloody idiot can look at that pitch make out there is hardly anything there for your fast bowlers in it, but he still plays 4 fast bowlers and when they smashed all over he openly criticises them now how fair is that. And remember it all started with 2 sixes in a row of clarke's bowling.

 

[Prince EWS]

mmm, see you in 6 months time when he has an average of 30 and a big cup in the trophy cabinet hopefully

Hopefully (well, the first part anyway). He's a great batting talent so to see him firing in ODIs with the blade would be very good for cricket.

 

[pup11]

mikeW mate i know hogg might not be the most talked about name in world cricket, but he does his job. There is lot of talk about a balanced australian team but name me one world cup winning team that didn't had a good spinner in the team. And if hogg is not good enough for our best team may i know who is?

 

[Prince EWS]

Prince EWS i am not saying hogg is some magic man, but a bloody idiot can look at that pitch make out there is hardly anything there for your fast bowlers in it, but he still plays 4 fast bowlers and when they smashed all over he openly criticises them now how fair is that. And remember it all started with 2 sixes in a row of clarke's bowling.

As I already said, playing four fast bowler more often than not makes more sense given the fact that Symonds, Clarke and White all occupy batting spots. They are all more than handy spinners at ODI level, so they, in essence, act as the spinner. Who bowls second change if Hogg is selected though?

This pitch is one where Hogg probably should have played, but given he also played the last game and they were already in the final, they rotated him.

I'm not talking about this game specifically - I'm talking about your posts in general. You seem to blame everything on the fact that Hogg isn't playing. You may have a point this time, but generally you don't, and it's becoming quite annoying really. Hogg will get more chances if and when Shane Watson returns to the top 7.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

mmm, see you in 6 months time when he has an average of 30 and a big cup in the trophy cabinet hopefully

That's what 15-18 ODIs New Zealand will play in that time? Let's assume he plays 12 innings in that period and gets...hmm... 4 not outs. He would have to score at least 762 runs to average 30 and 763 to get over 30. That's a 95.25 average. Good luck with that.

 

[Prince EWS]

mikeW mate i know hogg might not be the most talked about name in world cricket, but he does his job. There is lot of talk about a balanced australian team but name me one world cup winning team that didn't had a good spinner in the team. And if hogg is not good enough for our best team may i know who is?

Our best team, given Watson is not completely fit yet, is the one that took the field today.

 

[Prince EWS]

That's what 15-18 ODIs New Zealand will play in that time? Let's assume he plays 12 innings in that period and gets...hmm... 4 not outs. He would have to score at least 762 runs to average 30 and 763 to get over 30. That's a 95.25 average. Good luck with that.

If he averaged around 40 during those 15-18 ODIs, I'd be more than happy to say he was a genuine allrounder at ODI level, and that he was the right option to bat 6 for NZ. Given previous evidence, it'd be very hard to make a case for him doing that though. We shall see.

 

[Smudge]

name me one world cup winning team that didn't had a good spinner in the team.

West Indies in 1975