***Official*** Commonwealth Bank Tri-Series

[Raghav]

What ever it may be, I am really shocked by the catch of Gillespie. Thats really great catch I had ever seen by a newzealand fast bowler catching like that!

 

[Natman20]

The only reason why Orams average is so low is because of the situations of the innings where he comes in generally at the end where he is there to whack it he is therefore to get NZ over the line, his statistics have had to suffer for it. End of story IMO

NZ again fail in their batting but again back it up with a consistent bowling attack that was dominant last night. Good to see McCullum change his batting attitude to score 30 without scoring a boundary to help Oram to his total. Good bowling performance. I still disagree with Franklins inclusion and I think Mills should replace him. Franklin only performs well if he claims an easy early wicket to apply pressure or the conditions suit him otherwise he bowls utter rubbish. There is no way Bracewell will change Franklin though.

England gave away some of their wickets which was backed up by some excellent fielding eg Gillespie and Astle catch. They probably gave away their wickets because of the pressure put on them by some economical bowling. I cant believe how close nearly every single game in this series has got with such low totals. Great to see Oram bowling quite well as well. Last night should have been closer though

 

[wpdavid]

What ever it may be, I am really shocked by the catch of Gillespie. Thats really great catch I had ever seen by a newzealand fast bowler catching like that!

Sounds a bit like the one Hadlee took in the mid-80's that deprived himself of the chance to take all 10 against Australia.

 

[Fiery]

The only reason why Orams average is so low is because of the situations of the innings where he comes in generally at the end where he is there to whack it he is therefore to get NZ over the line, his statistics have had to suffer for it. End of story IMO

Well summed up Natman20. Try explaining that to Prince EWS...you'll get a sore head (and now it seems Mr Mxyzptlk is of the same view)

 

[Dick Rockett]

Didn't see the Hawkeye but 3Tracker once again told me absolutely nothing. Never before has there been a more pointless and utter crap piece of technology than 3Tracker.

100% agree. Glad someone agrees with me - most people love Channel 9's pointless gadgets. Hotspot is pretty ghey too.

 

[Dick Rockett]

I wonder if we'll have James in here with his standard "Vettori is overrated" whinge tonight.

Yes well, umm.....

Yeah, James and I have discussed that in the past and I agreed with him. Although I am starting to reassess - Vettori's really started to look impressive this season; it probably also helps that umps are starting to actually put the finger up when he shouts for lbw.

 

[Prince EWS]

The only reason why Orams average is so low is because of the situations of the innings where he comes in generally at the end where he is there to whack it he is therefore to get NZ over the line, his statistics have had to suffer for it. End of story IMO

People say that all the time. Seems a nice and convenient way to explain his dire batting performances, so I've decided to put my mythbusters cap on here.

I did a bit of research (I actually went through the whole thing manually) and he's had a chance to bat for 20+ overs on 38 occassions. In those innings, he has scored 754 runs @ 20.94. Myth indeed.

 

[Dick Rockett]

I agree with Prince that Oram's stats are pretty ordinary, and I certainly wasn't filled with confidence when he walked out to bat last night (especially considering how he batted vs SL). He's been ordinary for us in the past, but I do believe - like a lot of players - that there's enough in him to merit his place in the NZ team. Hopefully he'll come through for us with greater consistency in future.

 

[The Baconator]

100% agree. Glad someone agrees with me - most people love Channel 9's pointless gadgets. Hotspot is pretty ghey too.

3 tracker? Is that the thing where they kinda take little stills of the ball to show it's path?

If it is, I've seen it when Channel 9 when Sky have the feeds, and serves no purpose at all, especially when you've got Hawkeye.

 

[Prince EWS]

I agree with Prince that Oram's stats are pretty ordinary, and I certainly wasn't filled with confidence when he walked out to bat last night (especially considering how he batted vs SL). He's been ordinary for us in the past, but I do believe - like a lot of players - that there's enough in him to merit his place in the NZ team. Hopefully he'll come through for us with greater consistency in future.

Yeah, as I said before, his bowling record added to the fact that he is good for a decent innings every so often justifies his place in the side. He's a better one day bowler than the likes of Franklin and Mason anyway. My gripe is with him batting #6.. I don't really think he's good enough for that position. I'd have him at 7 with McCullum at 8 - or possibly vise-versa. I think that'll probably happen anyway when Styris comes back.

 

[Smudge]

Greig made a comment last night about Monty's excessive appealing and perhaps he should take the opportunity to re-read the LBW laws. TBH, I agree with him - Monty goes up for anything and will soon struggle to be taken seriously by umpires if he keeps it up.

Thoughts?





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[Dick Rockett]

Greig made a comment last night about Monty's excessive appealing and perhaps he should take the opportunity to re-read the LBW laws.

Haha, that one was gold. Very dry.

Yeah, as I said before, his bowling record added to the fact that he is good for a decent innings every so often justifies his place in the side. He's a better one day bowler than the likes of Franklin and Mason anyway. My gripe is with him batting #6.. I don't really think he's good enough for that position. I'd have him at 7 with McCullum at 8 - or possibly vise-versa. I think that'll probably happen anyway when Styris comes back.

Yeah, I mostly agree with that. Dunno about your comparison to Franklin and Mason with regard to Oram's bowling though. I think they're all much the same in terms of their hit-and-miss natures. Oram does have economy on his side though.

 

[TT Boy]

the minute I saw you had posted in this thread I knew it'd be something like this, you've been saying it for ages now.

To be fair, you're 100% correct.

I distinctly remember old Scaly being in the minority in his belief that England are actually a good one day side. What was it, when the big games come around or some bollocks like that England will rise to the top and win?

 

[Fiery]

Yeah, as I said before, his bowling record added to the fact that he is good for a decent innings every so often justifies his place in the side. He's a better one day bowler than the likes of Franklin and Mason anyway. My gripe is with him batting #6.. I don't really think he's good enough for that position. I'd have him at 7 with McCullum at 8 - or possibly vise-versa. I think that'll probably happen anyway when Styris comes back.

Yes and you've been stating it ad nauseum. Here's what I believe is the strongest possible, fully-fit lineup we could put out and it has Oram at 6:

Astle
Fleming
Taylor
Styris
McMillan
Oram
McCullum
Vettori
Mills
Gillespie
Bond

 

[Scaly piscine]

I distinctly remember old Scaly being in the minority in his belief that England are actually a good one day side. What was it, when the big games come around or some bollocks like that England will rise to the top and win?

I said if they had all their players fit they would be. But then you obviously can't remember everything, especially if it completely invalidates your attempts at point scoring. Not that these are big games anyway and I suggest you look at the rant from one of the main editors on CricInfo to see what he thinks about the amount of effort England seem to be putting in.

 

[marc71178]

Nixon's selection was just a waste, saw it from the start. If they wanted a solid batting keeper Pothas was the best bet. Now they are going to have to go back to Read.

Yet again you push someone you've barely seen play.
Unless the selectors have never been to watch him (which lets face it is a huge long shot) - I suggest they've a better idea about him and hence haven't picked him.

 

[marc71178]

The only reason why Orams average is so low is because of the situations of the innings where he comes in generally at the end where he is there to whack it he is therefore to get NZ over the line, his statistics have had to suffer for it. End of story IMO

So the NZ top order is that strong then is it (bearing in mind that most of his innings have been at 6)?

 

[TT Boy]

I said if they had all their players fit they would be. But then you obviously can't remember everything, especially if it completely invalidates your attempts at point scoring. Not that these are big games anyway and I suggest you look at the rant from one of the main editors on CricInfo to see what he thinks about the amount of effort England seem to be putting in.

Can't remember us winning many games with Tres, KP and Vaughan in the side, can you?

We haven't been a good one day side since Adam Hollioake and Alan Mullally were playing.

 

[Jono]

I distinctly remember old Scaly being in the minority in his belief that England are actually a good one day side. What was it, when the big games come around or some bollocks like that England will rise to the top and win?

I doubt he, Halsey or anyone will claim England to be #2 ODI side in the world for a long time anyway.

 

[ripper868]

Agree about what tony said about monty, he goes up for absolutley anything, the ball could be pitching outside leg, turning towards square leg, bastmen 5 paces down the wicket, playing a shot, get rapped on the pads and up he goes. i love montys enthusiasm for the game but there is a point where it gets too much.