silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
So Turd, how about Sehwag actually making runs in the second innings?
No, you have got it wrong mate. India should have known the rules and there was enough time between the close of play yesterday and start of play today to figure out at what time Tendulkar could go out to the middle to bat. The team management and particularly Tendulkar were very much at fault here.It was the umpire's fault that they didn't inform India of the situation with Tendulkar early enough. I have a feeling India had already settled it with the third umpire before they sent Ganguly out. Doubt they would risk something like that. SA probably knew about the umpires allowing it too, hence them not appealing. Jackman was a jackass nevertheless.
The players didn't appeal. So no fault of the umpires.That is disgraceful umpiring.
He shouldn't be in the team for a long time, until he proves himself again in domestic circuit and ideally like Zaheer did in England.Do you guys think Sehwag should still open for India again?
Zaheer didn't really prove himself in England. He had an ordinary FC season playing in the second division AFAIK and the media just pepped him up because he took a lot of wickets (forgetting the average and division).like Zaheer did in England.
How are you supposed to know exactly how long you're not allowed back on the field? Surely no one times themselves like an idiot.That is disgraceful umpiring. Another reason why we need a guy like Hair still umpiring today. He would've given that out because he isn't gutless. That was out. The indians shouldn't be excused for their ignorance. Every cricketer knows if you spend a certain amount of time off the field you have to make up for that time before you can bat or bowl again. That was without a doubt timed out. Ganguly should be back in the pavillion and the South Africans should be celebrating.
If I was a Saffer I'd be livid with that call. The rule clearly states if you have not set foot on the pitch 3 minutes after the last batsman was out then he is timed out. Doesn't say anything about making excuses for Indian ignorance. Horrible umpiring. They were worried of being labelled racist etc by angry Indians.
Oh get over yourself.That is disgraceful umpiring. Another reason why we need a guy like Hair still umpiring today. He would've given that out because he isn't gutless. That was out. The indians shouldn't be excused for their ignorance. Every cricketer knows if you spend a certain amount of time off the field you have to make up for that time before you can bat or bowl again. That was without a doubt timed out. Ganguly should be back in the pavillion and the South Africans should be celebrating.
If I was a Saffer I'd be livid with that call. The rule clearly states if you have not set foot on the pitch 3 minutes after the last batsman was out then he is timed out. Doesn't say anything about making excuses for Indian ignorance. Horrible umpiring. They were worried of being labelled racist etc by angry Indians.
You have to appeal before being the umpire can give you out.That is disgraceful umpiring. Another reason why we need a guy like Hair still umpiring today. He would've given that out because he isn't gutless. That was out. The indians shouldn't be excused for their ignorance. Every cricketer knows if you spend a certain amount of time off the field you have to make up for that time before you can bat or bowl again. That was without a doubt timed out. Ganguly should be back in the pavillion and the South Africans should be celebrating.
If I was a Saffer I'd be livid with that call. The rule clearly states if you have not set foot on the pitch 3 minutes after the last batsman was out then he is timed out. Doesn't say anything about making excuses for Indian ignorance. Horrible umpiring. They were worried of being labelled racist etc by angry Indians.
Shouldn't have to appeal. The umpires would've been aware of what exactly was going on. Do you have to appeal for a bowled? No. This is the same. It was very clear that he was out, over 3 minutes had elapsed. Very poor umpiring.The players didn't appeal. So no fault of the umpires.
Timed out is a legitimate wicket so I don't know what you are talking about. The Indians have no problem appealing for things like handling the ball.Oh get over yourself.
SA were never going to appeal, you don't want to win a test match that way.
How was Sachin supposed to know that he had 7 more mins before he could go out? They only told him after the 1st bloody wicket fell. He wasn't given out because the umpires knew they were at fault.Timed out is a legitimate wicket so I don't know what you are talking about. The Indians have no problem appealing for things like handling the ball.
If you aren't going to give them out why not just dump the entire rule?
He was the leading wicket-taker in that division.Zaheer didn't really prove himself in England. He had an ordinary FC season playing in the second division AFAIK and the media just pepped him up because he took a lot of wickets (forgetting the average and division).
It's poor team management. Teams always time the length their players are off the ground so that they aren't off longer than the 7 minutes before it starts actually timing them. It is not Tendulkars fault, but rather the Indian team managements fault for stuffing that one up.How are you supposed to know exactly how long you're not allowed back on the field? Surely no one times themselves like an idiot.
The umpires are responsible for informing you and they did it too late. Blame the umpires but don't blame Tendulkar. Pathetic.
Gavaskar and the ESPN-Star commentary team specifically mentioned the players had to appeal and no South African players madean iota of an issue regarding the time out and so till I am corrected via exact quotes fromthe rule book, I will assume that is the correct rule.Shouldn't have to appeal. The umpires would've been aware of what exactly was going on. Do you have to appeal for a bowled? No. This is the same. It was very clear that he was out, over 3 minutes had elapsed. Very poor umpiring.
There was enough time to figure out the exact time, but the umpires are responsible for informing India of that time.No, you have got it wrong mate. India should have known the rules and there was enough time between the close of play yesterday and start of play today to figure out at what time Tendulkar could go out to the middle to bat. The team management and particularly Tendulkar were very much at fault here.
Sachin wasn't supposed to. The team management should've however and informed him so.How was Sachin supposed to know that he had 7 more mins before he could go out? They only told him after the 1st bloody wicket fell. He wasn't given out because the umpires knew they were at fault.
Anyone you can go on with your Darell Hair loving, I'm here to watch a cricket match.
And there's such a big difference between timed out and handling the ball its ridiculous. Most people walk when they handled the ball anyway. And did you see how Pollock was joking around? They were never going to appeal unless it became ridiculous, like 10 mins or so.
Tendulkar was out of the fieldfor x amount of time yesterday. He couldn't go into bat till y minutes. Play started at minute z. So seeing the rule books, it shouldn't be very difficult to figure out after what time he could go out to bat.There was enough time to figure out the exact time, but the umpires are responsible for informing India of that time.
They did so far too late so it's completely their fault. Quite simple, really.
I'm not disputing that. All I'm saying is that the umpire is supposed to figure that and not the team. The player checks in and checks out with the umpire and the umpire is the one who marks the time and figures out the elapsed time and how long the player needs to wait. The umpires were the ones who blew it.Tendulkar was out of the fieldfor x amount of time yesterday. He couldn't go into bat till y minutes. Play started at minute z. So seeing the rule books, it shouldn't be very difficult to figure out after what time he could go out to bat.
The way it was described, it appeared that the problem was that the umpires didn't notify India that Tendulkar couldn't come out at that time (due to time he spent off the field) until the innings had already begun. The mass confusion was probably because the second wicket fell so quickly.It was not the umpire's fault that the South Africans did not appeal. That said, it was really stupid of
a) The Indians to send in Ganguly risking him being timed out instead of a tail ender.
b) The South Africans not appealing to get the wicket.