Young players who failed to realise their potential

[Chubb]

Mominul Haque?

He's had a very strong career by Bangladesh standards and is a lock in for their all-time XI, I don't think he wasted his ability.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Insert every other wannabe opener from Pakistan from the 200s/early 2010s.

I thought Yasir Hameed looked really good. Very pleasing technique to the eye

 

[TheJediBrah]

injuries were the real reason why he faded

anyone claiming he got “found out” is resorting to lazy cliches as usual

He absolutely got "found out" to a large extent. He averaged 13 in his first year of ODI cricket because no one could figure out what he was doing. Then they did. Basically the definition of "found out".

Injuries would have affected his availability and career somewhat but it's a massive stretch to think he would have gone on and cleaned up averaging sub 15 for 10+ years without injury

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

Bryan, Will, Reece, Brad, Shaun, Dick, Jack

and of course Sailor

 

[Socerer 01]

He absolutely got "found out" to a large extent. He averaged 13 in his first year of ODI cricket because no one could figure out what he was doing. Then they did. Basically the definition of "found out".

Injuries would have affected his availability and career somewhat but it's a massive stretch to think he would have gone on and cleaned up averaging sub 15 for 10+ years without injury

no he wasnt going to average sub 15 for the rest of his life but claiming that it was his baseline which no spinner has ever done in odi history as a career avg and him reverting to regular figures is him being found out is ridiculous. he had plenty of notable performances after being “found out” including a 4 wicket haul in the 2012 world cup final which defies your logic

its the equivalent of saying that Mike Hussey got found because he didnt average 80 like he did in his 1st 2 years of test cricket

injuries massively affected his career, they ended his international career and forced him to turn into a weird batsman batting all rounder hybrid at domestic level

in any case many of this thread suggestions for failed players dont even qualify for failures in the 1st place

 

[Coronis]

no he wasnt going to average sub 15 for the rest of his life but claiming that it was his baseline which no spinner has ever done in odi history as a career avg and him reverting to regular figures is him being found out is ridiculous. he had plenty of notable performances after being “found out” including a 4 wicket haul in the 2012 world cup final which defies your logic

its the equivalent of saying that Mike Hussey got found because he didnt average 80 like he did in his 1st 2 years of test cricket

injuries massively affected his career, they ended his international career and forced him to turn into a weird batsman batting all rounder hybrid at domestic level

in any case many of this thread suggestions for failed players dont even qualify for failures in the 1st place

failing to realise your potential doesn’t necessarily make you a failed player. Someone like Mark Waugh for example had more potential than Steve Waugh, but Mark didn’t live up to his potential, nor was he a failure.

He's had a very strong career by Bangladesh standards and is a lock in for their all-time XI, I don't think he wasted his ability.

What I mean by this is that for a little while early on it seemed like he would become a true great - analogous to, if not as skilled as Flower for Zimbabwe. But ended up not being able to hold a bat away from his home grounds. (impressive home record of course)

 

[Socerer 01]

failing to realise your potential doesn’t necessarily make you a failed player. Someone like Mark Waugh for example had more potential than Steve Waugh, but Mark didn’t live up to his potential, nor was he a failure.

im aware, it makes almost 80% of cricketers eligible for this list other than the technically ugly grafters and grinders who got by primarily on grit and perseverance which defeats the purpose of the thread

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Someone like Mark Waugh for example had more potential than Steve Waugh

Not sure if this is true

 

[Coronis]

Not sure if this is true

It always seemed to be what I heard. iirc Steve was picked earlier based on his bowling too.

 

[TheJediBrah]

no he wasnt going to average sub 15 for the rest of his life but claiming that it was his baseline which no spinner has ever done in odi history as a career avg and him reverting to regular figures is him being found out is ridiculous.

That's what being found out is, or when people say he was, that's what they mean. It doesn't mean he became terrible and useless. Just not as effective as he was before he was found out.

 

[OverratedSanity]

no he wasnt going to average sub 15 for the rest of his life but claiming that it was his baseline which no spinner has ever done in odi history as a career avg and him reverting to regular figures is him being found out is ridiculous. he had plenty of notable performances after being “found out” including a 4 wicket haul in the 2012 world cup final which defies your logic

its the equivalent of saying that Mike Hussey got found because he didnt average 80 like he did in his 1st 2 years of test cricket

The reason why people say it about Mendis is because he had a very peculiar style of bowling that wasn't seen in international cricket very often and he spammed carrom balls, which are specifically the kind of delivery that can throw off batsmen when they haven't seen it before but are notoriously easy to handle once you're used to it because they barely spin and are very easy to pick out of the hand once they realised what he was doing. "Found out" is a pretty apt description of what happened.

 

[Starfighter]

The reason why people say it about Mendis is because he had a very peculiar style of bowling that wasn't seen in international cricket very often and he spammed carrom balls, which are specifically the kind of delivery that can throw off batsmen when they haven't seen it before but are notoriously easy to handle once you're used to it because they barely spin and are very easy to pick out of the hand once they realised what he was doing. "Found out" is a pretty apt description of what happened.

Yeah, not sure what @Socerer 01's getting at. 'Mystery' styles often go through a phase where they can dismiss batsmen through variation alone, but the batsmen learn to pick them or find a way around - i.e. they get found out. Then bowlers have to think about their tactics to keep up their performance - some pass that test better than others. For instance, this happened with the googly.

In Mendis' case (and just refreshing myself with some video, it's been a couple of years) he bowled normal off breaks and used the 'carrom' grip to bowl gentle legbreaks and googlies - the legbreaks often with backspin, which made them slide. The disadvantage is he didn't use the wrist as much as a normal leg or off spinner, putting fewer revs on the ball.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Yeah, not sure what @Socerer 01's getting at. 'Mystery' styles often go through a phase where they can dismiss batsmen through variation alone, but the batsmen learn to pick them or find a way around - i.e. they get found out. Then bowlers have to think about their tactics to keep up their performance - some pass that test better than others. For instance, this happened with the googly.

In Mendis' case (and just refreshing myself with some video, it's been a couple of years) he bowled normal off breaks and used the 'carrom' grip to bowl gentle legbreaks and googlies - the legbreaks often with backspin, which made them slide. The disadvantage is he didn't use the wrist as much as a normal leg or off spinner, putting fewer revs on the ball.

From memory he also wasn't that useful away from turning wickets because, as you said, his turn was very slight and subtle. On a typical Australian pitch for example his variations ended up being straight balls just bowled with different actions

 

[Socerer 01]

That's what being found out is, or when people say he was, that's what they mean. It doesn't mean he became terrible and useless. Just not as effective as he was before he was found out.

The reason why people say it about Mendis is because he had a very peculiar style of bowling that wasn't seen in international cricket very often and he spammed carrom balls, which are specifically the kind of delivery that can throw off batsmen when they haven't seen it before but are notoriously easy to handle once you're used to it because they barely spin and are very easy to pick out of the hand once they realised what he was doing. "Found out" is a pretty apt description of what happened.

sounds like we have different interpretations of what found out means, fair enough

Yeah, not sure what @Socerer 01's getting at. 'Mystery' styles often go through a phase where they can dismiss batsmen through variation alone, but the batsmen learn to pick them or find a way around - i.e. they get found out. Then bowlers have to think about their tactics to keep up their performance - some pass that test better than others. For instance, this happened with the googly.

what I was getting at was that Mendis “failed” because of a chronic back issue and not because his primary mystery weapon was becoming stale

he took his 1st 50 odi wickets in just 19 matches, it took him 44 odis to take the next 50 which you can attribute to him being found out. however he took his next 50 in just 21 odis. it came at the cost of him being more expensive but that disproves him being found out and entering a slow decline

had it not been for his injuries he would have still been a spinner averaging 25ish at the end of his career in odis even if he was nowhere near as good as in 2008

 

[Smudge]

Atul Sharma.

 

[shortpitched713]

I thought Yasir Hameed looked really good. Very pleasing technique to the eye

Him and Taufeeq Umar were the main decent ones.

The bad picks, like Imran Farhat, Imran Nazir, Salman Butt (lol, how'd that one turn out?), were rotated in far too frequently though. It was a real wilderness period, which thankfully it looks like we've finally gotten past ( although I'd really like to see Abid Ali back in the side ).

 

[Blenkinsop]

Mal Loye, Mark Foottit, Chris Lewis, Devon Malcolm.

And just because they inexplixably never got the chance to play for England, David Sales and Glen Chapple.

 

[Smudge]

CWNZ favourite Harry Boam.

 

[kevinw]

Mal Loye, Mark Foottit, Chris Lewis, Devon Malcolm.

And just because they inexplixably never got the chance to play for England, David Sales and Glen Chapple.

How rapid was Foottit? I remember his name in the mix for an England call up.

 

[Silver Silva]

Think we can safely say Haseeb Hameed won't get to the hype when he burst onto the scene as a youngster .