CricketFan90s
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| AV Bedser (ENG) | 1946-1949 | 23 | 41 | 7548 | - | 231 | 2959 | 89 | 7/49 | 33.24 | 2.35 | 84.80 | 8 | 2 |
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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread
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CricketFan90s
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He started playing from 1946. Don’t know if ww2 had an impact on him ?
You said he was an average bowler in the 1940's. More than half of that was taken up by war
CricketFan90s
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He had a very bad 3 years - 1947, 1948 and 1949. Flat pitches and strong Australian team are the reasons. I see even South Africa hit him badly in these 3 years.
CricketFan90s
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All players started playing from 1946. So we address it as 1940s.
kyear2
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Those pitches were beyond dead and probably the worst in the history of the game.
CricketFan90s
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But how did Ray Lindwall had a decent record in those years ?
kyear2
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His strike rate was never exemplary and he played more years in his career in the 50's than the 40's
Coronis
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Not just Lindwall, bowling was dominated by Aussies in the 40’s.
Lindwall 70 @ 19.17 (19.93 vs Eng)
Johnston 54 @ 18.51 (23.33 vs Eng)
Miller 48 @ 21.41 (21.89 vs Eng)
Toshack 47 @ 21.04 (28.60 vs Eng)
Other sub 30 bowlers in the 40’s (min 20 wickets)
McCool (AUS) 30 @ 27.23
Cowie (NZ) 26 @ 22.03
Jones (WI) 21 @ 26.76
Coronis
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That’s not the discussion lol. You’re trying to excuse Bedser’s 40’s record by saying that all the 40’s pitches were horribly flat, yet Lindwall (and also guys like Miller and Johnston) have great records in the 40’s, which doesn’t match up.
You’re talking about the pitches of the 40’s, that has nothing to do with the later careers of the blokes.
CricketFan90s
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CricketFan90s
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Top 2 Wicket Takers of 1940s
| AV Bedser (ENG) | 1946-1949 | 23 | 41 | 7548 | - | 231 | 2959 | 89 | 7/49 | 33.24 | 2.35 | 84.80 | 8 | 2 |
| RR Lindwall (AUS) | 1946-1950 | 17 | 32 | 3688 | - | 110 | 1342 | 70 | 7/38 | 19.17 | 2.18 | 52.68 | 2 | 5 |
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CricketFan90s
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Top 5 Fast Bowlers of 1950s
This was the reason England had Hat-trick Ashes Series Victories in 1950s.
Bedser was a Work Horse that is the reason why Don Bradman took him in his All Time XI. Bedser bowled 29 Overs per Innings in his entire career (thats too much of workload on a single bowler) . So he is a good option in All Time England XI if they want to go with 4 bowlers and 7 batsmen in their team.
| JB Statham (ENG) | 1951-1959 | 47 | 87 | 9995 | - | 379 | 3737 | 159 | 7/39 | 23.50 | 2.24 | 62.86 | 7 | 5 |
| RR Lindwall (AUS) | 1950-1959 | 42 | 77 | 9470 | - | 286 | 3687 | 152 | 7/43 | 24.25 | 2.33 | 62.30 | 6 | 7 |
| AV Bedser (ENG) | 1950-1955 | 28 | 51 | 8370 | - | 343 | 2917 | 147 | 7/44 | 19.84 | 2.09 | 56.93 | 3 | 13 |
| FS Trueman (ENG) | 1952-1959 | 31 | 60 | 6200 | - | 232 | 2685 | 128 | 8/31 | 20.97 | 2.59 | 48.43 | 9 | 5 |
| Fazal Mahmood (PAK) | 1952-1959 | 26 | 43 | 7815 | 1302.3 | 452 | 2765 | 125 | 7/42 | 22.12 | 2.12 | 62.52 | 6 | 12 |
Bedser was a Work Horse that is the reason why Don Bradman took him in his All Time XI. Bedser bowled 29 Overs per Innings in his entire career (thats too much of workload on a single bowler) . So he is a good option in All Time England XI if they want to go with 4 bowlers and 7 batsmen in their team.
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Bedser retired in 1955. He barely played with Statham or Trueman. The 3 of them played 0 tests together.
CricketFan90s
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have to agree with you. he did'nt get any support. So he was lone horse in english Team. 1953 Ashes he played hugh role in Englands victory. 1955 it was frank tyson.
It Looks like Lindwall had more support from other bowlers which alec Bedser was lacking through out his career.
As deliberate policy, pitches in England and Australia started favouring bowlers from the 1950-51 Australian season. Bedser, aged 32, suddenly found regular purchase for his leg-cutter and his bowling was transformed, having previously been a steady inswing stock bowler. He remains the only bowler to take 30 wickets in Ashes series both home and away.
It would have been interesting to see him on the docile West Indian wickets of 1954, but England decided he needed a rest and left him at home.
It would have been interesting to see him on the docile West Indian wickets of 1954, but England decided he needed a rest and left him at home.
CricketFan90s
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looks like he is not good on flat pitches. As Lindwall maintained more consistent record.
Lindwall was a lot faster with a nasty skidding bouncer and late outswing. After suffering from dropped slip catches, he developed an inswinger as well and was basically equipped for all surfaces. He didn't enjoy bowling long spells. Nor did Miller.
Bedser thrived on hard work and was very accurate. After his transformation in 1950-51, he produced several good performances on true pitches as well as on more helpful ones. As you say, over their entire careers Lindwall was more consistently successful.
kyear2
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I wasn't trying to excuse Bedser's record, I was literally just saying that pitches in the 40's were flat, as they were pre war.
No agenda behind it.