Was Dan Vettori better than the stats suggest

[thierry henry]

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Cannot say Vettori is head and shoulders above anyone. Boucher, Holder, Cairns, Prior are definitely better bats and moved up. Vettori was stuck at 8 because he was poorer higher up

You've just posted both a set of statistics and then followed up with a comment of your own which 100% support the contention that Vettori is the greatest number 8 of all time.

Not only is he statistically the best, but most of his competition are guys who could and did do better up the order. Vettori was unique in that number 8 was his natural position (the normal team balance was a batsman or seam bowling all-rounder at 6 and a keeper at 7) and he churned out specialist batsman numbers from number 8 but wasn't as good when he went up the order.

His record at number 8 and the fact that he was a genuine number 8 who didn't do as well up the order both support the contention that he was the best #8 of all time.

 

[number11]

Herath did bowl a carrom ball.

Herath is far and away the best SLA ever. He had it all. Lovely to watch him bowl.

 

[Migara]

Herath is far and away the best SLA ever. He had it all. Lovely to watch him bowl.

I would go for Verity or Underwood.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Herath is far and away the best SLA ever. He had it all. Lovely to watch him bowl.

Super Large Appetite

 

[Coronis]

I would go for Verity or Underwood.

Verity > Underwood > Herath seems to be the consensus on those 3, one that I would agree with.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Verity > Underwood > Herath seems to be the consensus on those 3, one that I would agree with.

In our current poll with voting for bowlers (of all descriptions) Verity is ranked no 21, while Underwood is 36th with Jadeja just behind him in 37th. Herath hasn't made the top 53.

 

[capt_Luffy]

In our current poll with voting for bowlers (of all descriptions) Verity is ranked no 21, while Underwood is 36th with Jadeja just behind him in 37th. Herath hasn't made the top 53.

Herath is certainly looking like he would be ranked between 55-57

 

[TheJediBrah]

Herath is the most overrated player on this forum by a distance IMO. Feasted in the era of specially prepared SL home tracks. Even Murali at least had to bowl on flatter wickets a bit.

He averages ~40 away from SL, and that includes in other Asian countries. Abdul Qadir gets (rightfully) criticised for being ordinary away from home but even he was better than Herath. For some reason Herath just slips through free of having to meet the standards every other player is held to for some reason.

Jadeja > Herath

 

[Prince EWS]

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Cannot say Vettori is head and shoulders above anyone. Boucher, Holder, Cairns, Prior are definitely better bats and moved up. Vettori was stuck at 8 because he was poorer higher up

Prior was never really picked to bat 8, he only ended up there when there was a night watchman so his stats there are a bit misleading.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Cannot say Vettori is head and shoulders above anyone. Boucher, Holder, Cairns, Prior are definitely better bats and moved up. Vettori was stuck at 8 because he was poorer higher up

Prior was a 6, while Cairns was a 7.

Were/Are Boucher and Holder better than DV? I disagree.

 

[Bahnz]

You've just posted both a set of statistics and then followed up with a comment of your own which 100% support the contention that Vettori is the greatest number 8 of all time.

Not only is he statistically the best, but most of his competition are guys who could and did do better up the order. Vettori was unique in that number 8 was his natural position (the normal team balance was a batsman or seam bowling all-rounder at 6 and a keeper at 7) and he churned out specialist batsman numbers from number 8 but wasn't as good when he went up the order.

His record at number 8 and the fact that he was a genuine number 8 who didn't do as well up the order both support the contention that he was the best #8 of all time.

Probably also worth noting that during Vettori's golden era with the bat (roughly the start of 2005 to the end of 2011), NZ's batting resources were dreadfully thin, and he was usually coming out to bat at a stage of the innings that would be more typical for a number 6 or 7 in most teams.

 

[honestbharani]

You've just posted both a set of statistics and then followed up with a comment of your own which 100% support the contention that Vettori is the greatest number 8 of all time.

Not only is he statistically the best, but most of his competition are... guys who could and did do better up the order. Vettori was unique in that number 8 was his natural position (the normal team balance was a batsman or seam bowling all-rounder at 6 and a keeper at 7) and he churned out specialist batsman numbers from number 8 but wasn't as good when he went up the order.

His record at number 8 and the fact that he was a genuine number 8 who didn't do as well up the order both support the contention that he was the best #8 of all time.

Isnt this a bit like...

 

[Athlai]

Between 2008-2011 Vettori averaged 40 at 6 +7 (12 games) and 8 (24 games)

He is the greatest #8 of all time due to how often he played there and the amount of runs hes scored. But it's not really that great a feat, it just means hes a decent but not exceptional allrounder.

He would've been a passing 6 from about 2009 onwards, and a one of the better 7s. Overall he was probably a mildly better batsman than Boucher and a worse batsman than Cairns/Dhoni/Prior.