Yuvraj Or Chopra

[tooextracool]

If you look carefully you'll see that I stated that Sriram was a superior of Chopra (and others) at the domestic level.
If the like of you hadn't jumped to the conclusion that I was saying that automatically meant he had to be a superior at the Test-level there wouldn't have been a problem.

and you didnt say so clearly enough obviously, because im not the only one who jumped to that conclusion.

 

[tooextracool]

No, I didn't - I didn't watch cricket at the time.
I said that someone thought they saw one, and IMO they were proven right.
IYO they weren't, because as far as you're concerned his failings were temperamental not technical.

and given that every player has some sort of weakness it doesnt say much....and yes hicks failure was temperamental, because hes clearly shown on several occasions that he was more than capable of working around that weakness and scoring against quality attacks.

Oh, the only way most people accept that someone is better than another is his achievements (mostly summarised by generally-used stats) at the highest level (Tests and ODIs).
You can make a pretty good guess at who's going to make the greatest achievements at Test and ODI level by doing what you said - but you can't be certain.

nope i've always said its a combination of both, many people would say that hayden and ponting are better than lara and steve waugh because the averages say they are, personally i think not because ive watched them play and have seen how valuable some of waugh's and lara's innings have been.

And hence I've not made that claim.
But 10 is a bit more than just "a tad".

and it could be explained in several different ways...homegrounds could possibly be more bowler friendly, chopra being an opener probably has it tougher given that he has to face the new ball etc

 

[Arjun]

So could any seam bowler by that token!

You seem obsessed with making Indian players into something they're not.

Strange, since you didn't think too low of Bangar. He bowls stump-to-stump, line and length, and can move the ball of the pitch, as he did in England and NZ. He opened the bowling in a limited-overs series in India for the Indian A-team, and did a decent job, while the faster bowlers sprayed it all around. He may not be the most talented, but he'll get the job done, if you want it.

 

[marc71178]

Yes, I don't think too low of Bangar, but I don't think he's good enough to be an opening bowler, more a useful seamer as 3rd or 4th pick.

 

[Arjun]

Yes, I don't think too low of Bangar, but I don't think he's good enough to be an opening bowler, more a useful seamer as 3rd or 4th pick.

He did bowl decently with the new ball in that event, but was nothing great. He can bee a good suppot bowler, but not one who'll take 5 wickets. Either way, he should get more than 3 or 4 overs each time. He can't do worse than Balaji, who keeps bowling short because he is used to the low bounce of Indian pitches, and runs in diagonally. The only problem is his fielding.

 

[Arjun]

Chopra looks better than Gambhir at the moment. Gambhir shoukd be introduced in a touring side against Zimbabwe or Bangladesh same with Jadhav. They dont deserve to be put into the heat of battle against the likes of mcgrath and co. But in saying that if australia lead the series 3-0 with one game to play players like sriram should be considered

They can be introduced in any of those exhibition ODI matches and tournaments, given how many of them are played by the Indian team.

 

[marc71178]

He did bowl decently with the new ball in that event, but was nothing great. He can bee a good suppot bowler, but not one who'll take 5 wickets. Either way, he should get more than 3 or 4 overs each time. He can't do worse than Balaji, who keeps bowling short because he is used to the low bounce of Indian pitches, and runs in diagonally. The only problem is his fielding.

So where would you bat him?

 

[V Reddy]

Chopra looks better than Gambhir at the moment.

Gambhir shoukd be introduced in a touring side against Zimbabwe or Bangladesh same with Jadhav. They dont deserve to be put into the heat of battle against the likes of mcgrath and co. But in saying that if australia lead the series 3-0 with one game to play players like sriram should be considered

Erm......


Well i believe in throwing in him against the best and it's not as if they will perform worse than Chopra. We have seen too many times , players starting well against weak attacks then struggling against strong attacks and abroad. They have been performing well in all the A tours which i think are more competitive than games against touring teams.

 

[thirdumpire]

McGrath vs Sehwag and Chopra ...is like an eagle amongst chickens.. .

lets look for solution against a present obvious problem...we need TECHNIQUE out there now at start of innings....

 

[Bhaji_fan]

Hmmmm.....Yuvraj is out of form now....and so is chopra..But I read somewherez that Viru prefers Akaash over Yuvraj...hmmmm....interesting topic..

 

[Bhaji_fan]

Personaly I think they should drop both of them (yuvvi and akash) and make Sourav the opener..he's done quite well as an opener u noe...

 

[Bhaji_fan]

I'm alone......

 

[SJS]

Hmmmm.....Yuvraj is out of form now....and so is chopra..But I read somewherez that Viru prefers Akaash over Yuvraj...hmmmm....interesting topic..

Its not a question of form alone. Suitability for a job also matters.

If form can resolve the matter why not get Dravid to open. In fact he is also far more suitable for the job than Yuvraj (in or out of form).

For those who keep talking of Yuvraj as opener, I have a question, why not Kaif as opener (not my preference) just a question

 

[marc71178]

Personaly I think they should drop both of them (yuvvi and akash) and make Sourav the opener..he's done quite well as an opener u noe...

He's opened once and scored 11.

Granted that would be better than what Chopra did this last game, but not really that good.

 

[krishneelz]

Erm......


Well i believe in throwing in him against the best and it's not as if they will perform worse than Chopra. We have seen too many times , players starting well against weak attacks then struggling against strong attacks and abroad. They have been performing well in all the A tours which i think are more competitive than games against touring teams.

Chopra starting well against weak attacks then struggling against strong attacks. I dont think so. He has done not too bad agianst the aussies and paks and hasnt played too many against the lesser nations

 

[krishneelz]

well looks like chopra is out of favour and yuvraj is out for eight.

IMO india should have stuck with chopra and selecting yuvraj was a big mistake

 

[DJellett]

No, but opening with Yuvraj was the mistake.

 

[krishneelz]

no yuvraj was always gonna get out against warne for under 20

 

[SJS]

McGrath vs Sehwag and Chopra ...is like an eagle amongst chickens.. .

lets look for solution against a present obvious problem...we need TECHNIQUE out there now at start of innings....

Well its not looking like that at the time of writing. Sehwag approaching 60 and McGrath taken off after being taken for 10 in an over by Sehwag.

 

[krishneelz]

sehwag is legendary