Your top ten ONE-DAY INTERNATIONAL batsmen of all-time

[ttm]

I can never understand why Ponting is so high on peoples lists for one day internationals. His one day form is inconsistent although the past year or so has been good. Players like Jones have a higher average in an era when scores were 15% lower. For Jones that would translate into an average of 51 today with a strike rate of over 80.

Ponting is a great test batsman and a very good one day batsman but IMO not top ten material. Below is a supporting argument. He is only number 39! on the all time list, although the list favors players who have hot streaks like David Gower in the early 80s. Ponting while inconsistent from match to match is never out of the runs for long.

http://www.lgiccrankings.com/odi/batting/all-time-ranking.php

 

[Burgey]

I enjoy reading these threads because they invariably toss up some great names from different eras, but I must say I'm finding it increasingly difficult to name these lists myself, because I know I'll inadvertantly leave out someone who was really very good and deserves to be there.

Then, when I remember them, I'll have to deliberately leave out someone who I obvously thought at first should have been there too.

 

[NUFAN]

Hmmm...Sobers is close to being, if not the, best batsman since Bradman. He called Subhash Gupte the best spinner he's seen, therefore, Gupte is the greatest spin-bowler of all time. See the problem in that logic?

We better start that top ten bowling thread again!!

Besides..Tendulkar doesn't play for australia, so he cant possibly be elected the best aussie batsman of all time no matter how good he is.

LOL my thoughts exactly.

Wasn't aware they named that solely on his batting TBH. Thought it was a mixture of his playing ethics, batting and keeping.

Yeah for sure, great point.

 

[NUFAN]

Yeah I thought there would be a Hussey or Pietersen also, seeing as though they've played as many games as some people who made the list like Glenn Turner for instance..

Hussey's World Cup campaign and injury in India has probably meant he's not in peoples mind. Plus I hate picking players who if they retired now would I be satisfied putting them in a top 10 overall..

 

[shankar]

I wasn't listing really the greatest ODI openers, but players. If I were to simply take that into account, I'd have to disregard 119 of 407 Tendulkar's ODI matches.

Which still leaves 288 innings - more than Gilchrist has played in his entire career. And I see you've ignored the strike-rate argument - The strike-rate of Tendulkar within the 15-over period, during which Gilchrist plays most of his innings, would be higher than his career strike-rate and close to (or may be higher or than Gilchrist's). So he not only plays Gilchrist's role in the first 15, but then goes on to make runs to average 10+ points more.

 

[Perm]

1. A. Gilchrist
2. M. Bevan
3. D. Jones
4. M. Hayden
5. R. Ponting
6. A. Symonds
7. M. Waugh
8. M. Clarke
9. C. Cairns
10. A. Border

Far out you're biased. Not enough funny anymore. Allan Border FFS?

 

[Perm]

Sachin has faced 5 balls in a WC Final. If you're honestly going to hold that against him to decide Gilly is better, than there is nothing I can really say to change your mind.

Similar to Dennis Lillee in the subcontinent. It's just that Gilchrist has performed in WC finals, which he should be credited with.

 

[Perm]

Without wanting to sound like I'm launching a personal attack against Kazo, because I respect him immensely and think he's a very good poster, but he is quite bias in his assessment of Australian players, which is a shame. I can understand that because he is Australian that he will naturally appreciate Australian players more, but it is quite silly IMO, to even compare Adam Gilchrist and Sachin Tendulkar as ODI batsmen.

 

[SJS]

ill revise my list.

1. A. Gilchrist
2. M. Bevan
3. D. Jones
4. M. Hayden
5. R. Ponting
6. A. Symonds
7. M. Waugh
8. M. Clarke
9. A. Border
10. B. Reid

How can you have Bruce Reid BELOW Gilchrist and Ponting.

Blasphemy

 

[biased indian]

But Bevan is... and Bevan and all his peers named Gilchrist the ODI player of all-time for Australia. I think you should email them right away and give them your two cents.

Bradman once said tendulkar is the best batsmen he has seen..i am sure u will have 3-4 aussies ahead of him ..so i think u should email to him

 

[biased indian]

Tendulkar
Richards
Bevan
Saeed Anwar
A de silva
Greenidge
Jayasuriya
Ganguly
Inzamam
Lara

 

[Julian87]

1 Michael Bevan
2 Mark Waugh
3 Sachin Tendulakar
4 Viv Richards
5 Brian Lara
6 Ricky Ponting
7 Sanath Jayasuriya
8 Saeed Anwar
9 Adam Gilchrist
10 Matt Hayden

 

[JBH001]

Hmmm. This is a little difficult. But...

1. Michael Bevan
2. Sachin Tendulkar
3. Viv Richards
4. Mark Waugh
5. Sanath Jayasuriya
6. Dean Jones
7. Inzamam ul-Haq
8. Adam Gilchrist
9. Javed Miandad
10. Aravinda de Silva

 

[Dan]

My list - a couple of controversial choices.

1. Michael Bevan ~ worlds best finisher, full stop
2. Viv Richards ~ Good average and brilliant SR
3. Dean Jones ~ Paved the way for daring running between wickets
4. Sanath Jayasuria ~ Him and Romesh Kaluwitharana (spl?) created the idea of smashing it around during the Fielding Restrictions
5. Sachin Tendulkar ~ Class player, ability to mould to play well under pressure, or to smash it when they are doing well
6. Saeed Anwar ~ 194*, 'nuff said
7. Mark Waugh ~ Great opener, good record, brilliant fielder and capable bowler.
8.Adam Gilchrist ~ Great record, always scores at a run a ball, flexible player
9.Geoff Marsh ~ Great ODI opener, would play himself in, and almost certainly be there at the end, with 100 to his name, ready to smash Walsh, Ambrose, Marshall and Patterson out of the ground.
10. Andy Flower ~ Versatile player, usually came in in tough situations, and held the innings together, also an innovative strokemaker.

Unlucky to miss out Award: Inzamam ul Haq ~ If his running was more effective than comical, he would be in there.

Surprise Inclusions: Andrew Flower, Geoff Marsh

 

[NUFAN]

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7. Mark Waugh ~ Great opener, good record, brilliant fielder and capable bowler.

9.Geoff Marsh ~ Great ODI opener, would play himself in, and almost certainly be there at the end, with 100 to his name, ready to smash Walsh, Ambrose, Marshall and Patterson out of the ground.

So you picked MWaugh in the top 10 batting of all time due to him being a brilliant fielder and capable bowler?

Also with Marsh, I think he was effective, but you can't say he'd almost certainly be there at the end, he didn't make 100s all the time, not even close.

 

[Dan]

Waugh was a great batsman, and is deserving to be in there, proof of this is his 1996 WC. Marsh was the sheet Anchor of the early 90's ODI Team, he would drop anchor, score at a decent rate, and let the other blokes get on with it - and still hit well during "Happy Hour"

 

[Perm]

1. Sir Vivian Richards
2. Sachin Tendulkar
3. Michael Bevan
4. Ricky Ponting
5. Dean Jones
6. Adam Gilchrist
7. Sourav Ganguly
8. Inzamam-ul-Haq
9. Matthew Hayden
10. Sanath Jayasuriya

Almost too hard to make this list, as ODIs have changed dramatically since about 1990 or so and as a result, the strike rates of guys like Greenidge, Haynes etc are quite low in comparison with the batsmen of today.

 

[NUFAN]

Waugh was a great batsman, and is deserving to be in there, proof of this is his 1996 WC. Marsh was the sheet Anchor of the early 90's ODI Team, he would drop anchor, score at a decent rate, and let the other blokes get on with it - and still hit well during "Happy Hour"

Yeah mate I picked Junior too. He was my favourite player actually, just thought it was funny that you would mention the fielding/bowling when rating him in the top 10 for batting.

 

[Dan]

I was just mentioning as an extra that he was almost a complete package, but his batting alone would justify him a place in most peoples books.

 

[Ikki]

Hmmm...Sobers is close to being, if not the, best batsman since Bradman. He called Subhash Gupte the best spinner he's seen, therefore, Gupte is the greatest spin-bowler of all time. See the problem in that logic?

Yes, you're talking about anomaly. Gilchrist being voted the best was by every player that has represented Australia in ODI. I am not too sure that such a sample means nothing.

Besides..Tendulkar doesn't play for australia, so he cant possibly be elected the best aussie batsman of all time no matter how good he is.

That's not the point mate. The question is being raised if these two are even comparable. Well, if I had named Bevan above such a question wouldn't be raised. Yet Bevan himself in that poll was behind Gilchrist. I am not saying that I don't agree with it, but I don't see why it's so silly.

Wasn't aware they named that solely on his batting TBH. Thought it was a mixture of his playing ethics, batting and keeping.

Maybe you're right, but I'd assume in large part it had to do with his batting.

Which still leaves 288 innings - more than Gilchrist has played in his entire career. And I see you've ignored the strike-rate argument - The strike-rate of Tendulkar within the 15-over period, during which Gilchrist plays most of his innings, would be higher than his career strike-rate and close to (or may be higher or than Gilchrist's). So he not only plays Gilchrist's role in the first 15, but then goes on to make runs to average 10+ points more.

But why would I leave it out? And what does it matter if it's that many more than Gilchrist has played? It's all simplified in averages. Tendulkar is a run-scoring machine in ODI's, not disputing that, I don't see why his whole career should be ignored, it's still great.

Without wanting to sound like I'm launching a personal attack against Kazo, because I respect him immensely and think he's a very good poster, but he is quite bias in his assessment of Australian players, which is a shame. I can understand that because he is Australian that he will naturally appreciate Australian players more, but it is quite silly IMO, to even compare Adam Gilchrist and Sachin Tendulkar as ODI batsmen.

I already gave the reasons why I rate Gilchrist better. I find it hard to rate someone who has never won a WC or someone that when it got to the finals did worse and therefore it really isn't the fault of his teammates for not stepping up with him. Over someone who has won it thrice, was the best batter (once 2nd) every World cup final. Steps up when it matters, has a healthy average with a ridiculous SR...so I dunno.

Maybe I have too much emphasis on WCs, but in ODIs to me they're pretty much all that matter in this format. I've also said, I am probably biased as an Aussie for really appreciating his batting whenever we needed it, but I am not that biased where I will put his name blindly. You know, I don't have to think like everybody else nor do I make a habit of going against the grain.