Would you play Keith Miller in your Australia ATG XI?

[sayon basak]

I will ignore the slips stuff which is irrelevant.

Not really.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Australia XI:

Trumper
Hayden
Bradman*
Smith
Border
Miller
Gilchrist+
Lindwall
Warne
O'Reilly
McGrath


Australia A:

Simpson
Lawry
Ponting
Chappell
Harvey
Waugh*
Healy+
Davidson
Cummins
Lillee
Grimmett


Australia B:

Ponsford
Morris
Hill
MaCartney
Clarke
McCabe
Benaud*
Oldfield+
Johnston
Hazlewood
Spofforth


Australia C:

Woodfull
Langer
Hassett
Walters
Hussey
Noble*
Gregory
Marsh+
Gillespie
Turner
Lyon


Australia D:

Khawaja
Taylor
Boon
Chappell*
Waugh
Armstrong
Haddin+
Trumble
Johnson
McDermott
McKenzie


Australia E:

Bardsley
Barnes
Labuschagne
O'Neill
Martyn
Ryder*
Tallon+
Starc
Harris
Thomson


Australia F:

Warner
Slater
Redpath
Murdoch
Jones
Cowper
Giffen
Blackham+*
Ferris
Reid
Ironmonger


Australia G:

Brown*
Collins
Jackson
Lehmann
Katich
Kelleway
Carey+
Hughes
McDonald
Mallett
Alderman


Australia H:

Wessels
Darling
Duff
Hughes*
Kippax
Green
McCool
Carter+
Yardley
Lee
Toshack


Australia I:

Fingleton*
McDonald
Yallop
Booth
Head
Mathews
Paine+
Walker
Siddle
Clark
Mailey


Australia J:

Rogers
Watson
McDonnell
Iredale
Ransford*
Symmonds
Archer
Grout+
Cotter
Palmer
Lawson


Australia K:

Laird
McCosker
Voges
Hodge*
Bevan
MacKay
Philips+
Hordern
Pattinson
Johnson
Hogg


Australia L:

Marsh
Jacques
Blewett
Edwards
Hookes
Loxton
Reiffel
Fleming
Langley+*
Whitty
Iverson


Australia M:

Burke
Wood
Taylor
Burge
Ritchie
Fairfax
Gilmore
Dooland
Jarman+*
Connolly
Saunders



14 teams as so many are made in the Australian XI re-run exercise. Btw, Miller made the team, alongside O'Reilly.

 

[Prince EWS]

Any merit to Gilly at 6 and Davidson at 7? Then you can have either Lindwall and Lillee, or Warne and O'Reilly. With McGrath nailed on at 11 of course.

He brings that left arm variety and batted at 7 plenty of times in tests!

This is the worst idea yet.

 

[Red]

I don’t usually select guys out of position but tbh I think the best Aus XI would be:

Simpson
Ponting
Bradman
Chappell
Miller
Smith
Gilchrist
Warne
Lillee
OReilly
McGrath

if you only want one spinner and 3 quicks

Simpson
Ponting
Bradman
Chappell
Smith
Border/Harvey
Gilchrist
Davidson/Cummins/Lindwall
Warne
Lillee
McGrath

As much as I love Miller and believe he is arguably the most complete all rounder ever, it’s hard to justify him unless you want two spinners

 

[Spikey]

This is the worst idea yet.

lemme give you a worse idea real quick. we obviously all know the most important thing when picking a team with two spinners is having the spinners spin the ball in different directions and yet everyone is picking warne and o'reilly

6. miller
7. gilchrist
8. warne
9. lillee
10. lyon
11. mcgrath

now that's good balance

or better yet

6. miller
7. gilchrist
8. warne
9. davidson
10. lyon
11. mcgrath

 

[Prince EWS]

lemme give you a worse idea real quick. we obviously all know the most important thing when picking a team with two spinners is having the spinners spin the ball in different directions and yet everyone is picking warne and o'reilly

6. miller
7. gilchrist
8. warne
9. lillee
10. lyon
11. mcgrath

now that's good balance

I don't hate this so much if you don't pick Lillee.

 

[the big bambino]

Simpson
SG Barnes
Bradman
Ponting
Smith
Miller
Gilchrist
Davidson
Lindwall
Warne
McGrath

The first 5 are the hardest to fill imo - finding 2 outstanding openers in a field of several atvg's and picking the next 3 amongst a field crowded with champions. I love the bowling attack which has batting down to 10. Warne over O'Reilly because I really can pick one over the other due to his superior batting and fielding. McGrath because he's been our best ever bowler. No room for Lillee for the same reason I've excluded Tiger.

 

[Coronis]

we obviously all know the most important thing when picking a team with two spinners is having the spinners spin the ball in different directions

I know its most likely not the ideal team or anything but the image of Warne and Murali bowling from opposite ends spinning the ball both ways has always entranced me somewhat. Would also perhaps be a way for me to include Imran in my XI (for Imran lovers)

 

[mr_mister]

This is the worst idea yet.

Why? Is it because his test batting record is so far below his FC batting record?

 

[kyear2]

You know why lol. Don't make this about that again.

Never seen a SA XI where he wasn't the no. 1 opener, including ours.

So again, no reason to ignore him.

 

[kyear2]

How did this thread become about South Africa and the usual Barry Richards stuff...

As per Thread OP, Miller is one of my 5 locks in any Australia ATG XI (Bradman, Miller, Gilchrist, Warne and Lillee). The rest of the spots are up for discussion on any give day

1. Hayden
2. Simpson
3. Bradman
4. Chappell
5. Border
6. Miller
7. Gilchrist
8. Davidson
9. Warne
10. Lillee
11. McGrath

Squad: Ponting, Lindwall, O'Reilly

So question.

In a series vs SA or the WI how much do you think Miller averages with the bat, and how much overs a match does he bowl, especially considering that Lillee, Warne and McGrath are capable of marathon efforts.

Not to add that you've left out Australia's 2nd best bat ever.

 

[kyear2]

Not on the 80s SCG

That's literally one ground.

 

[subshakerz]

So question.

In a series vs SA or the WI how much do you think Miller averages with the bat, and how much overs a match does he bowl, especially considering that Lillee, Warne and McGrath are capable of marathon efforts.

Not to add that you've left out Australia's 2nd best bat ever.

Miller averaged 31 overs a game. Cummins as regular third seamer averages 33 overs a game. So Miller could handle a third seamer load IMO.

Miller averages max 30 in an ATG bat scenario.

 

[kyear2]

Fair but Ambrose and Holding were beasts in Australia in the 80s and 90s, Marshall also excellent. Gibbs provides excellent control.

And I think between Viv, Lara and Sobers, they have Warne covered.

And Headley.

Worrell too if he opens as he does for me.

 

[subshakerz]

And Headley.

Worrell too if he opens as he does for me.

Worrell hardly opened. By right it should be Hunte and Greenidge.

What about Walcott as keeper?

 

[Bolo.]

Aus team balance isn't quite right whether or not Miller plays. May as well pick him onthe principle of playing the best players.

That also leaves AUS with better batting and bowling than everyone else. It's a nice position to be in.

 

[subshakerz]

Aus team balance isn't quite right whether or not Miller plays. May as well pick him onthe principle of playing the best players.

That also leaves AUS with better batting and bowling than everyone else. It's a nice position to be in.

Not really better batting if you play Miller in the top 6. You sort of diminish the Bradman advantage. That's why I have Miller at 8.

 

[subshakerz]

Never seen a SA XI where he wasn't the no. 1 opener, including ours.

So again, no reason to ignore him.

What about him?

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[Qlder]

Where did this myth about Miller didn't bowl enough so can't be a 3rd pacer come from?

Lindwall, Miller and Davidson played 8 Tests together as a pace attack (Davidson 1st change)

Miller - 2094 balls - 23 wkts
Lindwall - 1918 balls - 27 wkts
Davidson - 990 balls - 10 wkts

Note: the trio actually played 9 tests together but Miller didn't bowl at all in Davidson's test debut (assume injury?)

 

[subshakerz]

Where did this myth about Miller didn't bowl enough so can't be a 3rd pacer come from?

Lindwall, Miller and Davidson played 8 Tests together as a pace attack (Davidson 1st change)

Miller - 2094 balls - 23 wkts
Lindwall - 1918 balls - 27 wkts
Davidson - 990 balls - 10 wkts

Note: the trio actually played 9 tests together but Miller didn't bowl at all in Davidson's test debut (assume injury?)

It is a myth. They are basing it off WPM I think which isn't as much an issue for a third seamer in an attack of Lillee, McGrath and Warne.