World Cup 2015 - Draft

[Zinzan]

Can you please give some clarity to this?

I would've taken McCullum over Amla, but I doubted whether he will keep in a WC game. Same as DeVilliers.

People taking McCullum or DeVilliers are essentially just getting an extra gun batsman in their teams, who may not keep at all.

This was his clarification ....

You can pick McCullum and he will be your wicketkeeper even if he keeps in just one game.

Hence why I ended up going with de Kock (as my keeper) instead of McCullum because I'm not confident the latter will keep in at least one game. I'm reading that to say if the person selected as keeper doesn't end up keeping at least once, you don't get any points.

Perhaps KK can clarify this 100%

 

[kingkallis]

This was his clarification ....



Hence why I ended up going with de Kock (as my keeper) instead of McCullum because I'm not confident the latter will keep in at least one game. I'm reading that to say if the person selected as keeper doesn't end up keeping at least once, you don't get any points.

Perhaps KK can clarify this 100%

Guys, I did not have any of these points in my mind but yeah let's pick the keeper who 'is' going to keep. You can consider both McCullum and Ronchi as keepers but can't pick 2 listed keepers in your teams to give other drafters a chance as well.

 

[Zinzan]

Guys, I did not have any of these points in my mind but yeah let's pick the keeper who 'is' going to keep. You can consider both McCullum and Ronchi as keepers but can't pick 2 listed keepers in your teams to give other drafters a chance as well.

Mate, it's still unclear.

Are you now saying I can choose McCullum as keeper & gain the applicable points, even if he doesn't end up keeping at all, provided I don't pick another keeper in my team?

If so, I will take McCullum as my keeper.

Please make this point clear as It seem to be confusing people.

Cheers.

 

[kingkallis]

What's your opinion? Should we label McCullum as a batsman only? What if he keeps in 1-2 games?

I am in favor of considering him as a keeper. Now what if he doesn't keep in the world Cup at all?

 

[Zinzan]

What's your opinion? Should we label McCullum as a batsman only? What if he keeps in 1-2 games?

I am in favor of considering him as a keeper. Now what if he doesn't keep in the world Cup at all?

Personally I think to make the whole thing clear & clean, the keeper selected should to limited to the actual main designated keeper from each country. For NZ & SA, that's Ronchi and De Kock respectively, therefore we shouldn't really be able to select Bmac or AB as keepers just on the hypothetical chance they may have the gloves for 1 game. Otherwise someone could select Kohli or Amla as their keepers as well & just earn points when they score runs or take an outfield catch/run out.

Or the other option, which may even be better, is that if someone wants to take the risk with the likes of AB, Sanga or Bmac as keeper, that they only earn points in games those respective players actually keep-wickets, therefore if AB only keeps for two games, the person would only get points for his runs scored in those two games.

But it's your game so your call.

Surely you can see why I'd see it as advantageous to select Bmac if he doesn't actually have to keep at all in reality.

 

[Cabinet96]

You're using the wrong attitude by talking about how many games he'll play as keeper. Given squad restrictions are in place, sides have to have ONE keeper before the tournament starts. You can't judge it based on games played.

Just list all the keepers now and be done with it. Maybe you can use a criteria such as what proportion of games they've kept in in the last two years, or whatever.

 

[Zinzan]

You're using the wrong attitude by talking about how many games he'll play as keeper. Given squad restrictions are in place, sides have to have ONE keeper before the tournament starts. You can't judge it based on games played.

Just list all the keepers now and be done with it. Maybe you can use a criteria such as what proportion of games they've kept in in the last two years, or whatever.

I don't care what the rule is tbh, as long as it's clear and consistent for everyone.

 

[Jimbo the giant]

Personally I think to make the whole thing clear & clean, the keeper selected should to limited to the actual main designated keeper from each country. For NZ & SA, that's Ronchi and De Kock respectively, therefore we shouldn't really be able to select Bmac or AB as keepers just on the hypothetical chance they may have the gloves for 1 game. Otherwise someone could select Kohli or Amla as their keepers as well & just earn points when they score runs or take an outfield catch/run out.

Or the other option, which may even be better, is that if someone wants to take the risk with the likes of AB, Sanga or Bmac as keeper, that they only earn points in games those respective players actually keep-wickets, therefore if AB only keeps for two games, the person would only get points for his runs scored in those two games.

But it's your game so your call.

Surely you can see why I'd see it as advantageous to select Bmac if he doesn't actually have to keep at all in reality.

I don't think it matters too much you'll just end up with a **** extra batsman who may or may not score extra runs vs a legit keeper who has more of a chance of taking xtra catches, run outs and stumpings (like another poster mentioned). It might seem like a good move now but if you end up with a slack xtra batsman down the line it may not be an advantage.

 

[kingkallis]

I don't think it matters too much you'll just end up with a **** extra batsman who may or may not score extra runs vs a legit keeper who has more of a chance of taking xtra catches, run outs and stumpings (like another poster mentioned). It might seem like a good move now but if you end up with a slack xtra batsman down the line it may not be an advantage.

Fair enough. An & McCain are batsman so Anil you are okay with it? Zinfandel shall we go back to DE Koch?

 

[anil1405]

There seems to be too much confusion surrounding AB. I initially picked him taking keeping aspect into consideration too but I don't mind him being designated as a batsman and will pick another keeper.

But what if AB is the keeper for half OR more games that Proteas play? In that case after the WC is over I would want to swap another keeper that I am going to pick for the highest scoring unpicked batsman. Does that sound fair to everyone?

 

[anil1405]

Also its better to make a list of AR's sooner rather than latter to avoid more confusion.

 

[kingkallis]

There seems to be too much confusion surrounding AB. I initially picked him taking keeping aspect into consideration too but I don't mind him being designated as a batsman and will pick another keeper.

But what if AB is the keeper for half OR more games that Proteas play? In that case after the WC is over I would want to swap another keeper that I am going to pick for the highest scoring unpicked batsman. Does that sound fair to everyone?

Thank you. The manual calculation at the end of the WC will be tough so lets stick to the plan. I am giving you all the list of keepers and all-rounders in 15 mins.

 

[Zinzan]

Thank you. The manual calculation at the end of the WC will be tough so lets stick to the plan. I am giving you all the list of keepers and all-rounders in 15 mins.

I'll confirm my selection at that point. Cheers.

 

[anil1405]

Thank you. The manual calculation at the end of the WC will be tough so lets stick to the plan. I am giving you all the list of keepers and all-rounders in 15 mins.

That would be a tad unfair on me, as I would've most likely opted for Sanga ahead of AB if AB wasn't listed as a keeper.

 

[anil1405]

Its been over 12 hours since the last pick, so who is next?

 

[kingkallis]

Wicketkeepers:

Australia: Brad Haddin
South Africa: de Kock
New Zealand: Luke Ronchi
India: MS Dhoni
Pakistan: Sarfraz Ahmed
England: Jos Buttler
Sri Lanka: Kumar Sangakkara
West Indies: Dinesh Ramdin
Bangladesh: Mushfiqur Rahim
Afghanistan: Afsar Zazai
Ireland: Gary Wilson
Scotland: Matthew Cross


All-rounders:

Australia: James Faulkner, Mitchell Marsh, Shane Watson, Glenn Maxwell
South Africa: JP Duminy, Wayne Parnell
New Zealand: Corey Anderson, Nathan McCullum, Daniel Vettori
India: Stuart Binny, Ravi Jadeja, Ravi Ashwin, Akshar Patel
Pakistan: Shahid Afridi
England: Moeen Ali, Ravi Bopara, Stuart Broad, Chris Woakes
Sri Lanka: Angelo Matthews, Tilakaratne Dilshan, Jeevan Mendis, Thisara Parera
West Indies: Darren Sammy, Andre Russell, Dwayne Smith
Bangladesh: Shakib Al Hasan, Mahmudullah
Afghanistan: Mohammad Nabi, Javed Ahmad
Ireland: Kevin O'Brien, Paul stirling
Scotland: Richie Berrington, Matt Machan

 

[kingkallis]

Please suggest if I am missing out on any other player. I feel I know very little about so many players now. There was a time I used to know everything about the associated teams as well.

 

[kingkallis]

That would be a tad unfair on me, as I would've most likely opted for Sanga ahead of AB if AB wasn't listed as a keeper.

Its not unfair Anil. Initially I told AB was a batsman on Whatsap as well.

 

[Zinzan]

Cheers for clarifying KK, I'll stick with de Kock as my keeper.

 

[anil1405]

Its not unfair Anil. Initially I told AB was a batsman on Whatsap as well.

Ya. I clarified that AB is surely going to keep wickets for couple of games as confirmed in some reports. And if deKock misses couple of more games then thats AB keeping wickets for half the tournament.

Anyway, lets move on as it is.

I guess its Zinzan's turn again.