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World Cup 2010

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silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
SS weren't you the one bitching about Michael Clarke?
Not quite. I admire his single mindedness. I have a problem with cricket viewing itself as holier than thou when it clearly isn't. Either make sure it's actually played that way, or admit it's like every other sport and legislate from that viewpoint. Fundamentally, if anything, soccer is a sport with much more integrity and fair play than cricket. I didn't hear any bowler withdraw an appeal after a bad decision, or ever saw an offer to replay the game after a series of calls went against them. They say 'umpire decisions are final', or 'that's part of the game.'

Right now, cricket wants it both ways. It still clings on to illusions of being a Gentleman's Game and is legislated as such, while the players keep towing the line officially but keep playing it like players play in every other sport on the planet. So administrators are reluctant to put in rules that would make the game better and flow smoother, and the players keep doing idiotic things knowing they have the 'spirit of the game speech' ready whenever they need to bring it out.

If I was a Test player, I'd manipulate and cheat as much as I can, because my job is to win for my team. If the administrators want to keep the blinders on, that's their problem.

Fundamentally, someone has to explain to me how this incident is different from a bowler appealing when he knows its not out, or a batsman not walking when he knows he hit it. I'm sure in some games, there are penalties called when they shouldn't have been. It all evens out right? Why isn't that line used in other sports? Again, we go back to the beginning, and cricket has readymade nonsensical lines about it 'evening out' and 'part of the history of the game'. And so they keep doing it, and we accept it while talking up their integrity and penchant for fair play. Makes no sense.
 
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GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Fundamentally, someone has to explain to me how this incident is different from a bowler appealing when he knows its not out, or a batsman not walking when he knows he hit it.
I'm sure in some games, there are penalties called when they shouldn't have been. It all evens out right? Why isn't that line used in other sports? Again, we go back to the beginning, and cricket has readymade nonsensical lines about it 'evening out' and 'part of the history of the game'. And so they keep doing it, and we accept it while talking up their integrity and penchant for fair play. Makes no sense.
That line is used in every sport. But when it's the biggest game a team will play for four years there isn't really much chance for things to even themselves out.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
But when it's the biggest game a team will play for four years there isn't really much chance for things to even themselves out.
What about World Cups, and once in every four year Test series like we have? Sorry but people's careers and series are on the line. Makes no sense if a decision "evens out" in a 700 run fest vs. a 120 run series decider.

Things don't even out like that in sports. Any sport. It's a piss poor defense of the status quo.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Yeah, well I agree with you on that, I don't think many would disagree. Video refs for major calls of some sort are the way to go. I'm just saying that it's a cliche rolled out everywhere, all the time.

What I don't agree with is that that somehow makes it not a big deal. If it happened to one of my teams I would be raging. Good job I was only 2 in 1986, tbh
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
I didn't say it wasn't a big deal for the fans. It's not a big deal that he tried to cheat. Good for him. The problem should be fixed at the administrator/ref level.

He obviously got away with it and as far as I understand, got his country a birth into the WC. Good for him - should get a medal.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Given that winning at all costs, regardless of legality, is SS's only concern I wonder why he bothers watching sport at all? I love to see any team I'm supporting win, but I also like to watch contests between teams neither of whom I'm not affiliated with. If there's not some vague fidelity to the agreed laws of the sport, we might as well not bother with the sport. It becomes a meaningless anarchy when winning is the only thing that matters.

Now "winning is the only thing that matters" might be a cliche that's bandied about to sell plimsoles, but it's a pretty sad endictment on any sporting endeavour if one really believes it to be true.

Incidentally, aside from "pertaining to sport", "sporting" can also mean "fair". Not coincidental, one suspects.
 

Uppercut

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Well if he's justified in doing it he should at least drop the nice-guy act. I had so much respect for Andrew Symonds's proverbial two-fingered salute to reporters telling him he maybe should have walked against India.
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yep. 'I cheated but it was the referee's fault for not spotting it', 'I think now that it's not a possibility a replay would be fairest', 'Someone give me a hug, I'm oh so alone', 'I considered retiring, once I realised I could conveniently twist it into being a great patriot'

He can come up with as much **** as he likes. He'll always be a cheat, a diver and a hugely overrated player with a mediocre international record.
 

duffer

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
France's leading goalscorer, World Champion, European Champion. Mediocre record? You must be trolling.
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
France's leading goalscorer, World Champion, European Champion. Mediocre record? You must be trolling.
51 goals from 117 appearances is mediocre for a forward playing for a winning team, which most of the time had a *genuine* top notch player such as Zidane providing chances.
 

Burgey

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51 goals from 117 appearances is mediocre for a forward playing for a winning team, which most of the time had a *genuine* top notch player such as Zidane providing chances.
But being in a better team means he has to share the chances around [Hadleetakeswicketscoznooneelseisgood.jpeg] :ph34r:
 

duffer

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
51 goals from 117 appearances is mediocre for a forward playing for a winning team, which most of the time had a *genuine* top notch player such as Zidane providing chances.
Seeing as though he was shunted out on the left for a heap of these matches and if you'd watched most of the times he did play with Zizou they obviously weren't a good fit for the same side and it wasn't like Zidane was setting the table for him time after time. If anything Henry does a lot more donkey work playing for France than he ever did at Arsenal.

He didn't have the opportunities to dominate the ball like he did for Arsenal as he was clearly no 2 outlet for France. 51 goals and 29 assists is anything but mediocre though so I'm struggling to see where you have a point.

EDIT: Those stats going off wiki.
 
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