Windies Team Discussion, and Other Related Things Thread

[chris.hinton]

How will West Indies change their ways. This is a massive decline not qualifying for the World Cup

Domestic 4 day competition should be 10 matches not 5 for a start. A proper one day competition (Possibly involving Windward and Leeward Island nations as well) to discover talent. West Indies A team matches during their season as well.

 

[number11]

I am deeply saddened by the decline of WI cricket. When I was a lad they were the best in the world and then still near the best. Now they are a shambles. The WC will be poorer for their absence.

 

[Beamer]

How will West Indies change their ways. This is a massive decline not qualifying for the World Cup

Domestic 4 day competition should be 10 matches not 5 for a start. A proper one day competition (Possibly involving Windward and Leeward Island nations as well) to discover talent. West Indies A team matches during their season as well.

The FC comp length is a direct result of the financial inequality of international cricket. The Caribbean is the most expensive region to host cricket amongst test playing nations as accomodation and internal flights are so expensive. Thus they have been forced to fly everyone to Antigua or T & T instead. I think we will return to the full 10 later this year, at least that was the plan.

Totally agree on white ball cricket though, we simply don't play it enough and surely the qualifiers have been an eye-opener for management that this needs to change.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

The FC comp length is a direct result of the financial inequality of international cricket. The Caribbean is the most expensive region to host cricket amongst test playing nations as accomodation and internal flights are so expensive. Thus they have been forced to fly everyone to Antigua or T & T instead. I think we will return to the full 10 later this year, at least that was the plan.

Totally agree on white ball cricket though, we simply don't play it enough and surely the qualifiers have been an eye-opener for management that this needs to change.

Growing up in the early 00's I always use to look forward when my home ground gets to host a FC match.
Schools would dismiss us for half the day so we get to see 2+ sessions.

I saw some quality cricketers back then: Lara, Chanderpaul, Hooper, Sarwan, Gayle, DJ Bravo... the list goes on...

We (WICB) had a top priority back then, it was red-ball cricket. I remember when Bangladesh A, team came over...and also the Kenyan team for the entire season.
Did the India A team also come?

That's how cricket should grow and develop in my opinion. Exposure to foreign conditions. Honing your skills. Now, our players they all look clueless.

 

[WICFan]

Growing up in the early 00's I always use to look forward when my home ground gets to host a FC match.
Schools would dismiss us for half the day so we get to see 2+ sessions.

I saw some quality cricketers back then: Lara, Chanderpaul, Hooper, Sarwan, Gayle, DJ Bravo... the list goes on...

We (WICB) had a top priority back then, it was red-ball cricket. I remember when Bangladesh A, team came over...and also the Kenyan team for the entire season.
Did the India A team also come?

That's how cricket should grow and develop in my opinion. Exposure to foreign conditions. Honing your skills. Now, our players they all look clueless.

England Lions played a domestic season and I remember the likes of an Americas side, Ireland and maybe one or two others playing the Regional Super50.

Failing to qualify for the CWC is going to put a hole in the finances as well, if the dc season doesn't get extended to 10 games then they need to at least include an Academy side and try to work on a schedule were most if not all sides get at least a couple of rounds of games in their territory.

 

[Beamer]

England Lions played a domestic season and I remember the likes of an Americas side, Ireland and maybe one or two others playing the Regional Super50.

Failing to qualify for the CWC is going to put a hole in the finances as well, if the dc season doesn't get extended to 10 games then they need to at least include an Academy side and try to work on a schedule were most if not all sides get at least a couple of rounds of games in their territory.

Agreed. 5 games is not enough. Lets look at Athanaze for example. He was the leading run scorer at the Under 19 World Cup. He's now 24 years old and has played only 30 FC matches. Lets then look at 3 England cricketers from roughly the same agegroup, give or take 8 months. Zac Crawley has played over 100 FC matches, Ollie Pope 90, Dan Lawrence 113. You are going to get better if you have that amount of games to hone your craft. We are doing our young cricketers a massive disservice.

 

[Beamer]

That's how cricket should grow and develop in my opinion. Exposure to foreign conditions. Honing your skills. Now, our players they all look clueless.

We need A tours. I think the academy are supposed to be going on tour somewhere soon? Hopefully Australia, England or India.

 

[WICFan]

We need A tours. I think the academy are supposed to be going on tour somewhere soon? Hopefully Australia, England or India.

There was chat a while back of a series vs South Africa.

 

[Beamer]

So after today I've changed my mind r.r future ODI set up. I'm not sure King and Mayer's can justify their places either. So I'm going.

Available
Available
Athanaze
Hope
Pooran
Hety
Available
Available
Joseph
Hosein
Available

That's a lot of new slots available!

My latest thinking now the World Cup is over:

King (on notice, needs runs against decent opposition)
Athanaze
Carty (give him 10 matches at 3, sink or swim)
Hope (c & wk)
Pooran
Hetmeyer (please come back!)
Available
Sinclair (give him a run of 10 matches)
Joseph
Hosein
Available

 

[WICFan]

My latest thinking now the World Cup is over:

King (on notice, needs runs against decent opposition)
Athanaze
Carty (give him 10 matches at 3, sink or swim)
Hope (c & wk)
Pooran
Hetmeyer (please come back!)
Available
Sinclair (give him a run of 10 matches)
Joseph
Hosein
Available

Drakes or Seales would be my choice for the other seamer spot. O. Smith is too wayward, O. Thomas needs some game time and focus on his fitness.

Holder will stay at 7, for the time being anyway.

Time for Brooks, Charles, Chase, Powell and Shepherd to go.

 

[Beamer]

Drakes or Seales would be my choice for the other seamer spot. O. Smith is too wayward, O. Thomas needs some game time and focus on his fitness.

Holder will stay at 7, for the time being anyway.

Time for Brooks, Charles, Chase, Powell and Shepherd to go.

I agree Drakes, Seales or young Simmons as a wildcard option for the seamer spot.

I think Holder should retire from ODI's. So the two spots that really need new blood are the new seamer and one all-rounder. If we discover a leg spinner they should get priority also. There are two very promising leg spinners in the current Under 19 competition. Easily the best leggies I have seen in the West Indies. They are Vasant Singh from T & T and Micah Mckenzie of the Leewards. Both spin the ball and have effective googlies. I'd keep an eye on them.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Isn’t Wickham also a leggie?

I thought he bowed some leggies in the Super50

Also, don’t sleep on Ashmead Nedd

 

[Beamer]

Isn’t Wickham also a leggie?

I thought he bowed some leggies in the Super50

Also, don’t sleep on Ashmead Nedd

Yeah he is a talented leggie but think he lost confidence and started bowing 80mph medium pace instead. He's clearly just one of those stupidly talented people.

I like Ashmead I am just tired of finger spinners. We need something more attacking.

 

[WICFan]

Chemar Holder is currently struggling to overcome shoulder issues, he's lost his BCA contract and isn't too happy about how the WICB/BCA went about providing help for him:

"I don’t think that the best treatment was given. I would say that some things were put in place in terms of sending me to different people and working with different people but basically I was hearing the same thing over and over and I was actually doing everything by the book,” Holder said.

“I was going to the physio, I was doing this for this amount of time, taking these, trying this and trying that and I did that for two years and nothing changed.”

 

[Saket1209]

Chemar Holder is currently struggling to overcome shoulder issues, he's lost his BCA contract and isn't too happy about how the WICB/BCA went about providing help for him:

This is the problem with WI. They don't support their players. The board just want money and thus doesn't give a **** to their player and team condition.

 

[Saket1209]

For the second test now they have to drop reifer and blackwood. Their skills are not up to the mark to play test cricket. Bring in kirk and mayers. Mayers atleast is a very good test bowler and has a nac of taking imp wickets. They can also replace warrican with seales if he is fit enough else go with gabriel.

 

[G. S. Kohli]

Westindies need drastic changes for port of spain test india won 3 test matches out of 7.

Their batting need new surge from #2, #3 or even Blackwood should also replace from someone from Domestic

Very soon eng will visits in Westindies i do not think WI can win with currant batting force,

 

[G. S. Kohli]

This is the problem with WI. They don't support their players. The board just want money and thus doesn't give a **** to their player and team condition.

That is not 100% true, if they. Not pay than they can go to league cricket get more for 6 weeks than playing for 6 mos for their nation.( imad wasim earned more money in League, Rossouw, Jason roy & few other)

ICC paid enough to all cricket board, WI have Permanent membership i can not tell you here but they get enough

Westindies never play as T-E-A-M in test matches that is what first thing you need to fix

 

[Saket1209]

Westindies need drastic changes for port of spain test india won 3 test matches out of 7.

Their batting need new surge from #2, #3 or even Blackwood should also replace from someone from Domestic

Very soon eng will visits in Westindies i do not think WI can win with currant batting force,

They will visit England. This is their last test at home this year next year they will play 4 test at home. 2 against SA and 2 against Bangladesh.

 

[Saket1209]

Port of spain would have been a perfect venue for current sa team because they are also terrible playing spin. They gave them st. Lucia one of the fastest wicket in Wi in their previous test which should be given to India so that there could be even a fight.