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Will this be England's worst ever 5-0 defeat in Australia?

Will this be England's worst ever 5-0 defeat in Australia?

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Burgey

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Also, how bad is it when you go to some joint like london, the temperature soars to 19 Celsius and all these pale gimps are out and about with their shirts off, showing the world what might be achieved if a stack of white fence palings came to life and began walking around with pirate’s delights. Woeful.
 
Burgey

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And, your ****ing food is pathetic too. It’s a major contributor to your lack of sporting and intellectual prowess. Have a look at what passes for fresh fruit and veg in the UK. Fmd you’d throw it out in a heartbeat in a real country. A sad, pale imitation of decent food.
 
Burgey

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I haven’t even raised the endemic racism in your pathetic cricketing set up yet. A system which all but encourages racial profiling allowed to flourish under the hapless “leadership” of the incumbents.
 
jcas0167

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quincywagstaff said:
I was just listening to a podcast post 2nd Test where Ian Bell said he still thought Australia were the best team in the world.

Does everybody forget that this side has lost two home series to India in the last few years?

The 18/19 one could be excused to an extent because without Warner/Smith but they still had their full-strength bowling lineup out and if not for Sydney rain, could've easily been 3-1.

But last summer's India defeat had everything in Oz's favour; full-strength Oz lineup, India lose their captain and the opening Test, lose their entire first-choice bowling lineup and India still managed a series victory.

Last summer just exposes all the English excuses about how good Australia is and how tough it is to win in Australia as hollow.

They were mentally beaten before the tour started and this is on track to be the worst English Ashes touring side in living memory.
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If Australia had a half decent keeper they likely wouldn't have lost that series last year. New Zealand beat India in the WTC and 2-0 at home in 2020 and we were thrashed 3-0 in Australia earlier that year.

That said I also agree it's a relatively weak and unprepared English side (warm up games were washed out?). Your best player Stokes is well below his best. Some of the selections and tactical decisions have been dubious too.
 
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The NZ-IND series had moments of competitiveness before NZ pulled ahead with their better bowling and batting in home conditions. Hard to use that loss as a strong indication of how India would go then in the next series vs Australia when 36-9 was needed for Australia to pull out a win from a Test they were losing and India began losing players to all sorts of injuries and still competed to everyone's surprise.

As for England this time round, I do have to question what exactly the planning had been for this Ashes. Really feels like they decided to do nothing and lose anyway. At the very least some forward thinking like getting in some of your future prospects earlier would've been useful.
 
Teja.

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jcas0167 said:
If Australia had a half decent keeper they likely wouldn't have lost that series last year. New Zealand beat India in the WTC and 2-0 at home in 2020 and we were thrashed 3-0 in Australia earlier that year.

That said I also agree it's a relatively weak and unprepared English side (warm up games were washed out?). Your best player Stokes is well below his best. Some of the selections and tactical decisions have been dubious too.
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You're aware that Paine was the MOTM in the only match Australia won that series?

This is a very simplistic take and India winning in Australia and struggling in NZ is due to the strengths and weaknesses of the Indian batting line up. Indian batsmen for the last 3 decades, outside of the very best like Dravid/Sachin and with a few weird exceptions, tend to struggle in conditions with a lot of movement such as NZ against top swing bowlers and are much more comfortable against true bounce on Australian seamy roads even against world class bowling. This is particularly accentuated when said batsmen are in poor form and are ruthlessly exposed in moving conditions but can guts it out on flatter tracks and snag the occasional score.

Guys like Pant struggle to survive in NZ/England but turn into world beaters in Australian conditions which obviously makes a shitload of difference to the success of the side.
 
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morgieb

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harsh.ag said:
This is the worst batting wise. Even in 2013/14 or 2002/03, the batsmen put up more resistance.

With the ball, they are good, much better than 2013/14 and 2002/03. So, it seems less bad.

Also, Ashes in Australia should be 3 tests, enough with this bs.
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02/03 England at least won a Test. Plus that was a really ordinary England side against an ATG Australian one. I don't think that series compares as a particularly terrible Ashes defeat.
 
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Teja. said:
Indian batsmen for the last 3 decades, outside of the very best like Dravid/Sachin and with a few weird exceptions, tend to struggle in conditions with a lot of movement such as NZ against top swing bowlers and are much more comfortable against true bounce on Australian seamy roads even against world class bowling
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While I agree with the principle in general, it felt like up until recently (like last 5-10 years or so) your non ATG bats struggled hard against bounce too.
 
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