Will Ponting get disciplined ?

[FaaipDeOiad]

Y'know... there's a reason people "jump all over Australia" when it comes to their disciplinary infractions. There is, I believe, a sporting culture in Australia that is quite negative. Throughout all age levels, all abilities of cricket (or sport in general), there is an aura of sport being much more than just enjoyment - that, I believe, is not a good thing. To use myself as an example, in high school, I was a somewhat talented batsman (not that good, but enough to get more than a few games in the 2nd team or so) - however, playing cricket and sport in general for an organised team (in this case, a school team) was simply not enjoyable. It seems to me that many Australians take sport much too seriously - a simple misfield is met with abuse, a poor throw the same...even the whole culture of sledging, and how it is almost seen as a good thing! To me, it speaks of a nation that is searching for an identity, and is finding it only in sport - thus, you take it too seriously and become unlikeable as a result. People aren't finding fault with Australia for no reason, it's a result of a sporting culture that has sucked the fun out of the game. You may call it passion, but I think it is something far worse.


edit: I'm sure I'll have people jumping on me for this post, calling me racist and whatnot. That is not the case, whatever you may believe.

Can you blame them? You just took a thread about the behaviour of an Australian cricketer and whether or not he should be fined, and used it as a forum to launch a broad, sweeping attack on the whole country and its entire identity. Picture me making a similar post about how say India as a nation were a bunch of cheats after Dravid's lolly-on-the-ball incident, and imagine how people might react to that.

 

[James90]

I bet if Australia were winning he wouldn't have such a problem.

Of course. This is my take on it

Ponting got run out legitimately by a cover fieldsman
Such a dismissal in a pivotal moment of the match when Australia were just starting to get momentum, Ponting was cut.

Ponting is under a lot of pressure from the media and is on the verge of becoming the first Australian captain to lose the ashes for...18 years?? If they were winning the series then he would have coped with it better

Ponting had opinions on the English substitute fielders and had spoken about it before
It all led to a little outburt which he has every time he gets out, just a little earlier this time because of the situation

Should he get fined? No
Will he get fined? Probably

 

[andyc]

Will it make the selectors more likely to change captains, do you guys reckon?

 

[Beleg]

Folks, Australia is not a 'race', so quit with this racist mudflinging.

I personally think he will repriminded. The pressure on match-refree would be too much for him to even contemplate letting him off Scot free.

 

[SirBloody Idiot]

So if people have a shot at people from Pakistan, would that be racist?

 

[Beleg]

No. Pakistanies are 'not' a race. It's a nationality. As big a nation as Pakistan, or as varied a nation as Australia are generally composed of multiple races.

 

[SirBloody Idiot]

Just clarifying.

But, I count a shot at the whole cultural identity of Australia as being racist.

 

[Beleg]

Going by the established parameters, I'd say that would be a misnomer more than anything else. Though I do get the meaning and gist behind it, It does not look valid in a debate at all.

 

[SirBloody Idiot]

People will tend to clasify a shot at a country as racist. Whether it is in the right context or not, that is a different matter.

 

[social]

I think Ponting should be reprimanded.

You cannot have people yelling abuse at spectators, etc no matter how severe the provocation (MacGill was on Aus TV this morning saying that the Eng dressing room were hardly innocent bystanders).

I expect he will be fined and given a suspended sentence.

However, England's use of specialist fieldsmen as 12th man (Gary Pratt has not played ONE g!@##$$%^%^G first class match this year) needs to be outlawed.

If its good enough for every other test nation to use their 12th man to field, it must be the same for them.

Other teams might as well register Derek Jeter in the off-season and trot him out whenever they feel like it.

 

[Son Of Coco]

It's hardly limited to the fast bowlers, Vaughan goes off the field every session virtually - I just don't see what your problem is, a fast bowler will go off for 5 minutes once a session at most - that's perfectly reasonable unless you expect them to do a Paula Radcliffe.

You do have to wonder when it became impossible for a bowler to stay on the field for an entire days play though...barring injury of course. Handbags at 10 paces anyone? The Australian team already have theirs at the ready courtesy of the Sun - and on current form, quite rightly so.

 

[Blaze]

Kinky

 

[Choora]

Can anyone tell me about this guy "Gary Pratt", is he in the English team primarily as a specialist fielder???

If thats the case and his guy is allowed to take the field while fielding, then i don't think its fair.In my opinion its more like playing with 12 players.

 

[social]

Can anyone tell me about this guy "Gary Pratt", is he in the English team primarily as a specialist fielder???

If thats the case and his guy is allowed to take the field while fielding, then i don't think its fair.In my opinion its more like playing with 12 players.

Not even good enough to make his county team.

The 12th man is Tim Tremlett who was sent home after teams were selected and replaced by a specialist fieldsman.

 

[King_Ponting]

Not even good enough to make his county team.

The 12th man is Tim Tremlett who was sent home after teams were selected and replaced by a specialist fieldsman.

Tim tremlett? Chris i think u mean

 

[greg]

You do have to wonder when it became impossible for a bowler to stay on the field for an entire days play though...barring injury of course. Handbags at 10 paces anyone? The Australian team already have theirs at the ready courtesy of the Sun - and on current form, quite rightly so.

Presumably at about the time the backroom staff started advising the bowlers to take on as much fluid as possible and constantly. When it was just one drinks break an hour the problem didn't arise. The Australian bowlers go off fairly regularly as well you just don't notice it as much because

a) there's only four of them
b) they get replaced by Jason Gillespie
c) clearly Aussies can't drink as much

 

[social]

Tim tremlett? Chris i think u mean

Sorry.

Hard to remember the guy's name when he never appears at the ground to undertake his 12th man duties.

 

[SJS]

It is bad enough for a player to hurl abuses at the spectators, its much worse when the leader of a team does so. Next we'll have the managers doing it.

There is no justifictation for such behaviour. Pontings needs to be reprimanded by ICC and even more by his own board.

 

[Slats4ever]

No... a real apology rather than one where he still tries to blame (if you will) the opposition for his actions would suffice.


Y'know... there's a reason people "jump all over Australia" when it comes to their disciplinary infractions. There is, I believe, a sporting culture in Australia that is quite negative. Throughout all age levels, all abilities of cricket (or sport in general), there is an aura of sport being much more than just enjoyment - that, I believe, is not a good thing. To use myself as an example, in high school, I was a somewhat talented batsman (not that good, but enough to get more than a few games in the 2nd team or so) - however, playing cricket and sport in general for an organised team (in this case, a school team) was simply not enjoyable. It seems to me that many Australians take sport much too seriously - a simple misfield is met with abuse, a poor throw the same...even the whole culture of sledging, and how it is almost seen as a good thing! To me, it speaks of a nation that is searching for an identity, and is finding it only in sport - thus, you take it too seriously and become unlikeable as a result. People aren't finding fault with Australia for no reason, it's a result of a sporting culture that has sucked the fun out of the game. You may call it passion, but I think it is something far worse.


edit: I'm sure I'll have people jumping on me for this post, calling me racist and whatnot. That is not the case, whatever you may believe.

To be honest I find that attitude existing with people Indian/Pakistan origin who come to Australia to play with. Man they get so fired up and take it so seriiously. I think it's a given and reported by most visitors that Australia is a very laid back place

 

[howardj]

I'm fairly tolerant towards heated words/exchanges on the field - always based on the premise that the field of play is a player's office/workplace. However, I do think Ponting was way out of order, and should feel the wrath of the match referee. You can't really have guys screaming up to the opposition's balcony, lambasting the coach/personnel. It was pretty ordinary, and I'd squirm in my whites if my own captain did it in the lowly competition that I play in, let alone the international theatre.