Goughy
Hall of Fame Member
You sound suprised
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Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Haha Richard, smashed.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
I've replied to the subject at hand, and also replied to those who've replied to me. I can't see how there's anything wrong with that.
If anyone else has anything to add, I'd hope they'll not be put-off by the fact that myself and others have had related discussions in the thread.
Obviously, I'd hope that most people see it the way I do, because I can't see how anything else makes any sense. But I can't see how the fact that I've got a fair few posts in the thread is a) unusual or b) any more harmful than normal.
pasag
RTDAS
Post on a topic and move on, even dominate the odd thread I don't care, but not every single one. I don't start a thread for you to kill it in its infancy and to become a you vs everyone else thread. I'd like to hear your opinions like I'd like to hear everyone elses but I don't want to hear yours ten times more than anyone elses either. It's also pretty obvious once you start these tangents there is a huge 'cbf' factor from alot of people.
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Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yeah, like with everything.
dontcloseyoureyes
BARNES OUT
Oh but very unequivocally you are quite wrong. It's painfully obvious what you intended this thread for FYI and you, Mr. Zachary Gelman, should be ashamed for thinking as such.
Craig
World Traveller
Yeah I remember the 1st Test between Zustralia and Bangladesh in Darwin, 2003 and Martin Love got a periler of a first ball, would of got a lot of quality batsmen out.
HeathDavisSpeed
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
You should have called this thread "Battle of the...." if you wanted to keep Riccardo Montezuma out.
Athlai
Not Terrible
The ellipsis probably wasn't a bad attempt at warding him off TBH.
PhoenixFire
International Coach
It doesn't need you making cheap comments like this, it's hardly going to make it any better is it?
Sanz
Hall of Fame Member
So what are the First Chance averages of Sir Don Bradman, Sir IVA Richards ?
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
It is hard to decide on this issue, really.
I can see the merits of what Richard and a couple of others have said, reg. how it isn't different from the odd FC game against strong opposition etc. At the same time, I do think that there cannot be any REAL line deeming what is test class and what isn't, because weak sides have existed all along. India, away from home for a while in the early and mid 90s were just a "run in and pick up ur wickets" side, apart from Sachin Tendulkar... Does it mean bowling performances against them don't count? Windies have been bad in the past, so have New Zealand, India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and all other countries. Heck, even Australia were poor for a while in the mid 80s.
And while there are specific matches when Bangladesh and Zim have played as bad as club cricketers, they have also done well on occassions. I prefer to take it match by match, really, as I do with the other sides. India didn't exactly face a very tough attack in 2003/2004 in Australia, did they?
I can see the merits of what Richard and a couple of others have said, reg. how it isn't different from the odd FC game against strong opposition etc. At the same time, I do think that there cannot be any REAL line deeming what is test class and what isn't, because weak sides have existed all along. India, away from home for a while in the early and mid 90s were just a "run in and pick up ur wickets" side, apart from Sachin Tendulkar... Does it mean bowling performances against them don't count? Windies have been bad in the past, so have New Zealand, India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and all other countries. Heck, even Australia were poor for a while in the mid 80s.
And while there are specific matches when Bangladesh and Zim have played as bad as club cricketers, they have also done well on occassions. I prefer to take it match by match, really, as I do with the other sides. India didn't exactly face a very tough attack in 2003/2004 in Australia, did they?
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
At the risk of incurring Gelman's wrath for posting yet again...
I'd say that Bangladesh (in all bar 4 or 5 games) and, since May 2003, Zimbabwe, have been significantly weaker than Australia were 1984-1989, England were 1986-1989, West Indies were in the 1930s and are now, India and Sri Lanka were away from the subcontinent in the 1990s, etc. etc.
Only New Zealand in the 1930s and 1950s and (if you want to go back this far) South Africa in the 19th-century were to my mind as weak as Bangladesh always have been and Zimbabwe have been since 2003.
I'd say that Bangladesh (in all bar 4 or 5 games) and, since May 2003, Zimbabwe, have been significantly weaker than Australia were 1984-1989, England were 1986-1989, West Indies were in the 1930s and are now, India and Sri Lanka were away from the subcontinent in the 1990s, etc. etc.
Only New Zealand in the 1930s and 1950s and (if you want to go back this far) South Africa in the 19th-century were to my mind as weak as Bangladesh always have been and Zimbabwe have been since 2003.
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Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Nope, but I felt compelled to voice my opinion
vic_orthdox
Global Moderator
Long lost Zustralia supporter, here.
shortpitched713
International Captain
anoop4real
U19 12th Man
Like Eddy Guerrero says "I lie, I cheat and I steal.......Hope you dont mind me putting this in my avtaar.
NUFAN
Y no Afghanistan flag
Has anyone ever thought that perhaps Bangladesh and Zimbabwe are both good sides but most people just happen to play good against them making their averages appear as though they aren't good or test standard..
I don't expect the answer to be yes completely, but with cricket being such a confidence sort of game, if you feel you've got a good opportunity to cash in against Bangas and Zims before a ball is bowled - then your in a positive frame of mind and more likely to perform better.
I don't expect the answer to be yes completely, but with cricket being such a confidence sort of game, if you feel you've got a good opportunity to cash in against Bangas and Zims before a ball is bowled - then your in a positive frame of mind and more likely to perform better.