Why Murali does not throw

[John the Bookie]

The reason why a lot of people believe Murali chucks is because of incorrect arguing by Murali supporters. They always say that its a optical illusion that Murali throw and also says that he throw as much as anyone else but they all miss the fundamental reason why Murali doesn't throw.

Definition of a legal delivery from Cricinfo
3. Definition of fair delivery – the arm
A ball is fairly delivered in respect of the arm if, once the bowler's arm has reached the level of the shoulder in the delivery swing, the elbow joint is not straightened partially or completely from that point until the ball has left the hand. This definition shall not debar a bowler from flexing or rotating the wrist in the delivery swing.

Most people simply don't know what a throw is. To summarise the law, a throw is a straightening of the arm from a bent position when delivering the ball. Of course for most people, to prevent the straightening the arm is to bowl with a straight arm. However it is possible to bowl a legal delivery with a bent arm action as long as the bent arm doesn't straighten which is impossible for most people. The thing that makes Murali unique is that he is double jointed so he cannot straighten his arm fully. People say that this deformity allows him to break the law but that is untrue. His deformity allows him to bowl a legal delivery with a bent arm action which makes him unique from every bowler in history. Because of the misconception of the laws of throwing, people just look at the photo of Murali bowling with a bent arm and just assume he chucks. However the only way to prove he is chucking is to find a video of him bowling where his bent arm is straightening which I bet no one can find. In that sense there is no "optical illusion" because it is blatantly obvious he doesn't straighten his arm (as much as anyone else) when bowling.

Now the recent research about the throwing laws has shown that a straight arm from a person without a deformity is not exactly 180 degrees straight and that there is a slight angle in the arm. So when bowling there is a involuntary straightening of the arm. So that is why bowlers like McGrath, Pollock and Harmison chuck without us knowing it. There is a slight straightening of the arm from an already relatively straight position. With Murali, there is a slight straightening of the arm from a bent arm position but it is just as legal (or illegal) as the previous bowlers i just mention. So the research didn't really exonerate Murali because if people knew the action throwing laws there really shouldn't really be a case against him. The research just shows that every bowler involuntarily straightens his arm.

Thanks for reading

 

[steds]

YAWN!!!!!!!! Another Murali chucks/doesn't chuck(delete as applicable) thread. BORING!!!!!

Thanks for reading

I didn't...

 

[chris.hinton]

What a waste of time


HE CHEATS!!!!!!!!!!1

 

[John the Bookie]

YAWN!!!!!!!! Another Murali chucks/doesn't chuck(delete as applicable) thread. BORING!!!!!





I didn't...

I apologize for boring you. It just the debates are still going around and I'm still annoyed by the insufficient arguments that the Murali supporters are using to defend him.

 

[John Laws CBE]

I recently had a discussion on my award winning talkback radio show where i asked my many listeners to call and in give their opinion on the Murali throwing subject. By a vote of nearly 10 - 1 my intelligent, well-informed listeners branded Murali a chucker. This strong a majority can not be wrong in my opinion and I think the cricketing authorities should sit up and take notive of this poll result.

John Laws CBE

 

[Jono]

Hey give the guy a break, he's new to the board.

Anyway John The Bookie, basically the Murali debate has been done to death on Cricket Web, and it usually ends up becoming a topic full of the same old arguments before. The Murali lovers vs. The Murali haters spouting statistic after statistic if its about Warne vs. Murali, or if its about whether he throws or not it really has nothing more than "Well I think he throws", "Well its proven he doesn't" "I don't care, I think he throws".

You'd best leave the Murali debate alone, its been quiet for a few weeks now. The board is better off.

Edit: I hope this John The Bookie isn't another of those personalities going around, where the same poster just spams the board. Then you can attack him all you like I guess.

 

[John the Bookie]

What a waste of time


HE CHEATS!!!!!!!!!!1

If there is a flaw in my argument, please tell me. I'm happy to change my mind if proven wrong.

 

[John the Bookie]

Hey give the guy a break, he's new to the board.

Anyway John The Bookie, basically the Murali debate has been done to death on Cricket Web, and it usually ends up becoming a topic full of the same old arguments before. The Murali lovers vs. The Murali haters spouting statistic after statistic if its about Warne vs. Murali, or if its about whether he throws or not it really has nothing more than "Well I think he throws", "Well its proven he doesn't" "I don't care, I think he throws".

You'd best leave the Murali debate alone, its been quiet for a few weeks now. The board is better off.

Edit: I hope this John The Bookie isn't another of those personalities going around, where the same poster just spams the board. Then you can attack him all you like I guess.

Okay, I will not post another Murali chucking thread at this site. I'm just frustrated at the anti-murali sentiment around and I remember reading Inside Cricket and they basically pay him out every issue.
And no I'm not spamming the board

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

If there is a flaw in my argument, please tell me. I'm happy to change my mind if proven wrong.

Chris doesn't operate like that.

 

[Marcus]

He dosent chuck becasuse he has a massive legal backing behind him, he does chuck, although the ICC dont want a legal case vs. them so they change the rules. Now he 'illegal' bowls properly. its laughable

 

[Kweek]

the ICC is laughable.

 

[Neil Pickup]

He dosent chuck becasuse he has a massive legal backing behind him, he does chuck, although the ICC dont want a legal case vs. them so they change the rules. Now he 'illegal' bowls properly. its laughable

And so does everybody else, except Ramnaresh. One more piece of uninformed diatribe from anyone and this thread gets closed...

 

[a massive zebra]

And so does everybody else, except Ramnaresh. One more piece of uninformed diatribe from anyone and this thread gets closed...

How is this for uninformed diatribe....


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[John the Bookie]

Seems like nobody care.

hey massive zebra. Where did you get all that information from.

Forty-three percent of Americans think torture is sometimes justified, according to a PEW Poll (Associated Press, Aug. 19, 2004).

To be fair on the American, this is the growing trend around the world. In Australia in a similar poll, over 50% of Australian believes that torture is sometimes justified which seems worrying. I heard recently that President Bush made laws allowing the President of USA to be not liable for any damages if torture take place in America.

 

[a massive zebra]

Seems like nobody care.

hey massive zebra. Where did you get all that information from.

http://www.citypages.com/databank/26/1264/article12985.asp

 

[Richard]

In Australia in a similar poll, over 50% of Australian believes that torture is sometimes justified which seems worrying.

Physical torture is never justifiable.
Mental torture is always so.

 

[Richard]

I recently had a discussion on my award winning talkback radio show where i asked my many listeners to call and in give their opinion on the Murali throwing subject. By a vote of nearly 10 - 1 my intelligent, well-informed listeners branded Murali a chucker. This strong a majority can not be wrong in my opinion and I think the cricketing authorities should sit up and take notive of this poll result.

Just goes to show how ill-informed John Laws' lot are, really.

 

[Richard]

He dosent chuck becasuse he has a massive legal backing behind him, he does chuck, although the ICC dont want a legal case vs. them so they change the rules. Now he 'illegal' bowls properly. its laughable

Any evidence on that?
It'd be interesting if anyone thought they could concoct a case against ICC for not changing the rules.

 

[Richard]

I apologize for boring you. It just the debates are still going around and I'm still annoyed by the insufficient arguments that the Murali supporters are using to defend him.

Yes, me too, but all threads end-up going down the same route.

 

[Belford]

Dumb

"Physical torture is never justifiable.
Mental torture is always so."

Perhaps you would like to speak to a few people who have undergone psychological torture at the hands of secret police etc, and revise this sensationally dumb statement.