why dont english enjoy oneday cricket?

[silentstriker]

What about purely on a home basis?

For England, the series W/L/D is 52% 16% 31%.
For India, the series W/L/D is 49% 26% 25%.

So they win less, but lose less. Basically, its even at home between England and India, and a lot better for England in away matches. It's not really even a contest in terms of which has been the better side for longer.

 

[Richard]

Well I can assure you, England have by-and-large been terrible since the 1950s, and since the early 1970s I'd much prefer England had India's record.

 

[Pratters]

India has just 29 away test wins in their entire history. Before the Ganguly-Dravid eras of captaincy, the away test wins was a grand total of 13.

 

[pasag]

Will be interested to see if the support from certain Englishmen around these parts for Twenty20s continues if they start getting beaten in the format consistently, although I suppose it's less painful watching your side getting beaten for 40 overs than it is for 100.

 

[pasag]

15 months

 

[The Sean]

To be fair, India have beaten Australia at home too, and drew with them away on last tour

In any case, England have played 140 series since 1957, and their record is:

67-27-51...winning 44%, and losing 36%. In away series, they have won 34% of their series away and lost 43%.


India have played 107 series (only ) since 1957 and their record is:

37-25-44...winning 35% and losing 41%. They have also lost 58% of their series away, while winning 20%.


Amazingly, the English away record is about as good as India overall record....

Do you have the figures for all countries? I'm sure I could find them myself, but I'd back you to have the stats at your fingertips...

 

[Richard]

Will be interested to see if the support from certain Englishmen around these parts for Twenty20s continues if they start getting beaten in the format consistently, although I suppose it's less painful watching your side getting beaten for 40 overs than it is for 100.

I thought that exactly.

Indeed, I hope if we do it might curb the enthusiasm for the format being played at the international level.

 

[Richard]

India has just 29 away test wins in their entire history. Before the Ganguly-Dravid eras of captaincy, the away test wins was a grand total of 13.

In this country, though, home counts for infinitely more than away. If we'd been as near-invincible at home as India have been for most of the last 40 years, I'd back cricket to be a hell of a lot more popular than it is (and not have been removed from free-to-air TV). Casual fans barely even notice cricket outside the home season over here.

 

[Pratters]

In this country, though, home counts for infinitely more than away. If we'd been as near-invincible at home as India have been for most of the last 40 years, I'd back cricket to be a hell of a lot more popular than it is (and not have been removed from free-to-air TV). Casual fans barely even notice cricket outside the home season over here.

India was amazing in the 90s at home. However, as you can see from the over all home record SS showed, both have similar home records. Plus, India's away record has been terrible over all. I don't see how you can chose India ahead of England.

 

[Poker Boy]

In the case of England's home record, the 1986-89 period distorts it. Bfore 1986, only the great WI sides won in England between 1976 and 1985. Since 1989 only Australia and Pakistan have consistently won Test series in England (NZ won one and SL won a one off). And between the 1986-87 Ashes and the two wins in Asia in 2000-01 we were as awful away from home as India were. We only won in one country during that period (NZ) and most of the Test wins we gotduring that period were when the series (or the Ashes in Australia) were already lost.Its been 33 years since india ****ed up as badly in England as we did in India in 1993. Btw, I bet you all seven India ODIs are sell outs - I've always thought its the establishment here (the ECB and the press) who were less keen on ODIs - because one does not see empty seats but in a lot of occaisons the paper's main correspondents don't even turn up at them (I remember Martin Johnson wrote during an Ashes tour he was glad we didn't qualify for the Finals of the WS as it meant he got a week off - says it all really!

 

[silentstriker]

Do you have the figures for all countries? I'm sure I could find them myself, but I'd back you to have the stats at your fingertips...

In the 'modern' era (post 1950):

This is Test wins at home, away, and the difference in wins between home and away. All games are in W-L-D format.

England:
Home:127-82-107
Away: 68-88-116
Overall: 195-170-223

Australia
Home: 137-51-64
Away: 87-70-83
Overall: 227-121-147

India
Home: 62-44-92
Away: 29-76-83
Overall: 91-120-175

Pakistan
Home: 56-21-70
Away: 44-63-70
Overall: 103-87-140

Sri Lanka
Home: 35-21-28
Away: 15-41-29
Overall: 50-63-57

South Africa
Home: 59-26-30
Away: 31-35-37
Overall: 90-61-67

New Zealand
Home: 38-49-64
Away: 24-76-61
Overall: 62-125-125

West Indies
Home: 68-39-77
Away: 74-88-60
Overall: 142-129-137

Best Home Teams (win %)

1. Australia (54.37%)
2. South Africa (51.30%)
3. Sri Lanka (41.67%)
4. England (40.19%)
5. Pakistan (38.10%)
6. West Indies (36.96%)
7. India (31.31%)
8. New Zealand (25.17%)

Australia the hardest place to win, India surprisingly low (they don't lose much but they don't win as much either).

Best Away Teams (win %)

1. Australia (36.25%)
2. West Indies (33.33%)
3. South Africa (30.10%)
4. England (25.00%)
5. Pakistan (24.86%)
6. Sri Lanka (17.65%)
7. India (15.43%)
8. New Zealand (14.91%)

Obvious ones at the top.
Best Overall Teams (win %)

1. Australia (45.53%)
2. South Africa (41.28%)
3. West Indies (34.98%)
4. England (33.16%)
5. Pakistan (30.86%)
6. Sri Lanka (29.59%)
7. India (23.58%)
8. New Zealand (19.87%)

South Africa up there, but Aussies crush everyone. WI surprisingly low, almost on par with England (due to their record pre-fast bowling craziness).

Most Consistent Teams (home win % - away win %)

1. West Indies (3.62%)
2. New Zealand (10.26%)
3. Pakistan (13.24%)
4. England (15.19%)
5. India (15.89%)
6. Australia (18.12%)
7. South Africa (21.21%)
8. Sri Lanka (24.02%)

Figures, fast bowling makes them pretty good everywhere. New Zealand are consistently below average everywhere and Sri Lanka rely most on home advantage.

Best Home Teams Avoid Loss (lose %, lower the better)

1. Pakistan (14.29%)
2. Australia (20.24%)
3. West Indies (21.20%)
4. India (22.22%)
5. South Africa (22.61%)
6. Sri Lanka (25.00%)
7. England (25.95%)
8. New Zealand (32.45%)

Pakistan way below the rest, surprising, with only 21 home losses in history.

Best Away Teams Avoid Loss (lose %, lower the better)

1. Australia (29.17%)
2. England (32.35%)
3. South Africa (33.98%)
4. Pakistan (35.59%)
5. West Indies (39.64%)
6. India (40.43%)
7. New Zealand (47.20%)
8. Sri Lanka (48.24%)

Best Overall Teams Avoid Loss (lose %, lower the better)

1. Australia (24.59%)
2. Pakistan (25.93%)
3. South Africa (27.98%)
4. England (28.91%)
5. India (31.09%)
6. West Indies (31.28%)
7. Sri Lanka (36.69%)
8. New Zealand (40.06%)

What exactly is the point of this post? I have no freaking idea. I just found it interesting. Someone better be appreciative though.

 

[The Sean]

You're safe mate, I'm appreciative as hell! Really interesting stuff.

 

[Turbinator]

What exactly is the point of this post? I have no freaking idea. I just found it interesting. Someone better be appreciative though.

Dude wtf, you just made India look like crap .

 

[Prince EWS]

Gun post IMO, very interesting.

 

[silentstriker]

Dude wtf, you just made India look like crap .

You're the one making India look like crap with the avatar tbh.

 

[four_or_six]

I enjoy watching one-day cricket. I just don't enjoy watching England play one-day cricket. It's like slow torture with an inevitable outcome.

 

[Richard]

In the 'modern' era (post 1950):

This is Test wins at home, away, and the difference in wins between home and away. All games are in W-L-D format.

England:
Home:127-82-107
Away: 68-88-116
Overall: 195-170-223

Australia
Home: 137-51-64
Away: 87-70-83
Overall: 227-121-147

India
Home: 62-44-92
Away: 29-76-83
Overall: 91-120-175

Pakistan
Home: 56-21-70
Away: 44-63-70
Overall: 103-87-140

Sri Lanka
Home: 35-21-28
Away: 15-41-29
Overall: 50-63-57

South Africa
Home: 59-26-30
Away: 31-35-37
Overall: 90-61-67

New Zealand
Home: 38-49-64
Away: 24-76-61
Overall: 62-125-125

West Indies
Home: 68-39-77
Away: 74-88-60
Overall: 142-129-137

Best Home Teams (win %)

1. Australia (54.37%)
2. South Africa (51.30%)
3. Sri Lanka (41.67%)
4. England (40.19%)
5. Pakistan (38.10%)
6. West Indies (36.96%)
7. India (31.31%)
8. New Zealand (25.17%)

Australia the hardest place to win, India surprisingly low (they don't lose much but they don't win as much either).

Best Away Teams (win %)

1. Australia (36.25%)
2. West Indies (33.33%)
3. South Africa (30.10%)
4. England (25.00%)
5. Pakistan (24.86%)
6. Sri Lanka (17.65%)
7. India (15.43%)
8. New Zealand (14.91%)

Obvious ones at the top.
Best Overall Teams (win %)

1. Australia (45.53%)
2. South Africa (41.28%)
3. West Indies (34.98%)
4. England (33.16%)
5. Pakistan (30.86%)
6. Sri Lanka (29.59%)
7. India (23.58%)
8. New Zealand (19.87%)

South Africa up there, but Aussies crush everyone. WI surprisingly low, almost on par with England (due to their record pre-fast bowling craziness).

Most Consistent Teams (home win % - away win %)

1. West Indies (3.62%)
2. New Zealand (10.26%)
3. Pakistan (13.24%)
4. England (15.19%)
5. India (15.89%)
6. Australia (18.12%)
7. South Africa (21.21%)
8. Sri Lanka (24.02%)

Figures, fast bowling makes them pretty good everywhere. New Zealand are consistently below average everywhere and Sri Lanka rely most on home advantage.

Best Home Teams Avoid Loss (lose %, lower the better)

1. Pakistan (14.29%)
2. Australia (20.24%)
3. West Indies (21.20%)
4. India (22.22%)
5. South Africa (22.61%)
6. Sri Lanka (25.00%)
7. England (25.95%)
8. New Zealand (32.45%)

Pakistan way below the rest, surprising, with only 21 home losses in history.

Best Away Teams Avoid Loss (lose %, lower the better)

1. Australia (29.17%)
2. England (32.35%)
3. South Africa (33.98%)
4. Pakistan (35.59%)
5. West Indies (39.64%)
6. India (40.43%)
7. New Zealand (47.20%)
8. Sri Lanka (48.24%)

Best Overall Teams Avoid Loss (lose %, lower the better)

1. Australia (24.59%)
2. Pakistan (25.93%)
3. South Africa (27.98%)
4. England (28.91%)
5. India (31.09%)
6. West Indies (31.28%)
7. Sri Lanka (36.69%)
8. New Zealand (40.06%)

What exactly is the point of this post? I have no freaking idea. I just found it interesting. Someone better be appreciative though.

Hmm... didn't find it too interesting TBH.











Kidding.

 

[silentstriker]

Hmm... didn't find it too interesting TBH.

Bleh...I might have believed it if you weren't a fellow statophile.

 

[Malleeboy]

As an aussie, gotta love those kind of stats. Growing up in the Captain Sook and Grumpy eras, it was hard to remember the good times, I can just remember the great retirement (Chappell, Lillee, Marsh) occurring and then growing up in the following era sucked. My fav cricketer was Kepler Wessels for crying out loud. (even styled my batting stance on his.)

 

[The Sean]

As an aussie, gotta love those kind of stats. Growing up in the Captain Sook and Grumpy eras, it was hard to remember the good times, I can just remember the great retirement (Chappell, Lillee, Marsh) occurring and then growing up in the following era sucked. My fav cricketer was Kepler Wessels for crying out loud. (even styled my batting stance on his.)

Ha ha - yep mate, I was there! The days when a Test ton by an Australian batsman whose surname wasn't Border was an event to be savoured, because you honestly didn't know where the next one might come from. Those were the days!