Why did Shane Warne struggle so much against India

[Ali TT]

My sense is that to be a really effective spinner in India you need to bowl at the stumps, create uncertainty about whether to come forward or, worse, get pushed back and get your lbws and bowlers. Panesar was well suited in this way and destroyed the Indians in 2012.

Your usual leggie doesn't take wickets that way as much so don't think the style fits.

 

[Coronis]

Cos he’s an overrated hack.

 

[peterhrt]

Leg-spinners with 20 Test wickets against India:

Benaud 52 wickets @ 18
Bob Simpson 23 @ 28
Adil Rashid 33 @ 35
Kaneria 43 @ 41
Warne 43 @ 47
Abdul Qadir 27 @ 51
Bishoo 27 @ 52

Selected others:

Tommy Greenhough 14 @ 18
Imran Tahir 16 @ 25
Walter Robins 12 @ 25
Shahid Afridi 14 @ 33
Jim Higgs 18 @ 47
Jack Alabaster 14 @ 50
Stuart MacGill 14 @ 50

Left-arm wrist spinners with 20 Test wickets against India:

Adams 23 @ 23
Sobers 30 @ 24 (estimated)

Finger spinners with 40 Test wickets against India:

Gibbs 63 @ 23
Underwood 62 @ 27
Lyon 113 @ 32
Murali 105 @ 32
Swann 41 @ 32
Moeen Ali 55 @ 33
Vettori 40 @ 48

 

[_00_deathscar]

Cos he was ****

 

[slippy888]

Warnie got a happy ending for sure by those Thai massues

 

[TheJediBrah]

Thanks slippy

 

[Spark]

Warnie got a happy ending for sure by those Thai massues

??????

 

[Migara]

Warnie got a happy ending for sure by those Thai massues

More like he took a dietary short cut to lose weight and it has back fired.

 

[Prince EWS]

Can we not?

 

[jcas0167]

Warne said in his biography that his shoulder injury was really affecting him in the 2001 series.

He underwent a shoulder reconstruction after the 98 series against India and was out for the following season IIRC. I don't know if he was ever quite at his best against India. His peak seemed to be 93-97 before his shoulder problems? That and India had superb players of spin.

 

[centurymaker]

7 fivers and 2 ten fers in tests, 1 fiver in ODIs. 2 player of the match awards in tests and 2 in ODIs. Warne has 1 expensive fiver in tests, draws a blank in all other columns.

I'd never say Murali struggled against India. For Indian fans who followed their games against India with some emotional stake, it was always obvious that Murali was at least a moderate threat, Warne was none at all.

Murali was much more than a moderate threat. He was difficult to face.

 

[ZK$]

7 fivers and 2 ten fers in tests, 1 fiver in ODIs. 2 player of the match awards in tests and 2 in ODIs. Warne has 1 expensive fiver in tests, draws a blank in all other columns.

I'd never say Murali struggled against India. For Indian fans who followed their games against India with some emotional stake, it was always obvious that Murali was at least a moderate threat, Warne was none at all.

Yeah, this is true. There’s no shame in not being as good as Murali though.

 

[Kirkut]

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The late, great Aussie leg-spinner Shane Warne was frequently left frustrated during Test matches in India. Pic: Getty

Tailoring pitches to nullify opposition bowlers is nothing new in India. Veteran Chennai groundsman K Parthasarathy admitted he played a role in ensuring Shane Warne would not be as effective as usual in the opening Test of the 1998 series.

The world's best leg spinner finished with 1-122 in the second innings as Sachin Tendulkar smashed an unbeaten 155 to steer his side to a 179-run win. India went on to win the series 2-1.

“I kept the square patches outside the leg stump, on either side of the wicket, really hard," Parthasarathy later explained. "It was difficult to get turn from that part as there would be no rough there. After that game, Warne came to me and asked why he wasn’t getting the turn and others were.

"I told him it was because of his dodgy shoulder, that was to be operated on later in the series."

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For real????

 

[cricman]

Feel like he'd run riot if he got to play in this era and against this lot on current form.

 

[Migara]

He underwent a shoulder reconstruction after the 98 series against India and was out for the following season IIRC. I don't know if he was ever quite at his best against India. His peak seemed to be 93-97 before his shoulder problems? That and India had superb players of spin.

This argument falls flat on face because his struggles against India in ODIs were constant before and after 1999.