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Who should be the third Aussie quick?

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Pup Clarke

Cricketer Of The Year
Let's see, Gillespie has been called up to the A squad and if he gets plenty of wickets (which he easily could) he would very well be right back in the mix. Bollinger in the A squad, I mean he was truly awful up until last season. :blink:
 

Pup Clarke

Cricketer Of The Year
The one game I saw Edmondson played for Gloucs he really didn't look that good, was pretty quick (85-90) but didn't move a ball off the seam and went for plenty
 

andyc

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Is Johnsons batting really any better than Brett Lee's ?....I havent seen alot of it but it looked to be of about Warne/Lee quality, which although handy isnt upto 'bowling allrounder' status.
Disagree with that, Lee averages over 20, which is enough to be called a bowling allrounder IMO. The only reason he hadn't been coming in above Warne in the past while is because of tradition, I'd say, because he definitely should have been doing so.
 

Mister Wright

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Disagree with that, Lee averages over 20, which is enough to be called a bowling allrounder IMO. The only reason he hadn't been coming in above Warne in the past while is because of tradition, I'd say, because he definitely should have been doing so.
Even still, Lee has never been consistent enough to be considered a bowling allrounder in the sense of Pollock. He's a bowler who can occasionally be handy with the bat, and can on the odd occasion, play a match winning (or saving) innings.
 

iamdavid

International Debutant
Disagree with that, Lee averages over 20, which is enough to be called a bowling allrounder IMO. The only reason he hadn't been coming in above Warne in the past while is because of tradition, I'd say, because he definitely should have been doing so.
Hmm I dont agree, Lee has batted about 130 times in international cricket and made 5 half centuries, he is certainly better than most tail enders, but to be classified a bowling allrounder I reckon you need to be a little more reliable than that and have produced the goods a little more often, he has played some very good innings (against Allan Donald at Perth in 01/02 and during the '05 Ashes) but he is not really expected to make runs, its more seen as a bonus when he does. Look at his FC stats - tailender. Also dont agree with him being better than Warne, Warne had an extremely good eye and was capable of sticking around and playing more significant innings than Lee has shown himself capable of, the only reason he averaged 17 not 21 or 22 was that he very often appeared to lack a brain. But neither are in the bowling allrounder category for me, thats people like Shaun Pollock, Richard Hadlee, Wasim, Malcom Marshall, Brad Hogg. I rank Warne/Lee with the likes of Damien Fleming and Gillespie as a better than average tail-ender.
 

iamdavid

International Debutant
What do we reckon if Tait is indeed ruled-out at the start, and Johnson and Hilfenhaus both start their Pura seasons terribly, while Gillespie continues his recent excellent form?

Still in with a shot?
I really think his test future depends on how the Sri Lankan/Indian batting holds up to new boys this summer, he wont be in the team for the 1st test unless theres a disaster, I think everybody is resigned to that.
And if Clark continues on his merry way and Lee/Tait/Johnson/Hilf/whoever else do well initially then its curtains for him, but if Clark is handled better than he has been in the past and/or the young guys dont make a splash I reckon the selectors will panic and look for a tried and tested option pretty quick.
 

Zimdan

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Lee
Gillespie
Macgill
Clark

That is such a good Australian pitch bowling lineup.

I really dont trust Tait quite yet, hes good for ODI's possibly but for tests? not yet.

Line, length and control is what i needed, and those 4 will deliever that over and over again.
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
Lee
Gillespie
Macgill
Clark

That is such a good Australian pitch bowling lineup.

I really dont trust Tait quite yet, hes good for ODI's possibly but for tests? not yet.

Line, length and control is what i needed, and those 4 will deliever that over and over again.
I agree with you, but I also think that Tait is exactly the thing that those other bowlers are not which is what makes him such a potent wicket taker. Hes that other option that gives that uncertainty to the batsman, the kind of player who you can knock around more confidently than the others, yet he has the ability to throw that brilliant ball that takes the wicket. Tait is a real wicket taker and while he still has a lot to prove I think he showed real class at the recent world cup, enough to have at least some faith in him I feel.
 

The_Bunny

State Regular
Lee
Gillespie
Macgill
Clark

That is such a good Australian pitch bowling lineup.

I really dont trust Tait quite yet, hes good for ODI's possibly but for tests? not yet.

Line, length and control is what i needed, and those 4 will deliever that over and over again.
This is Australia your talking about.. If its unorthadox you can be sure they will do it;)
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Lee
Gillespie
Macgill
Clark

That is such a good Australian pitch bowling lineup.

I really dont trust Tait quite yet, hes good for ODI's possibly but for tests? not yet.

Line, length and control is what i needed, and those 4 will deliever that over and over again.
Lee and MacGill and control don't often go too well together. :p

That's the lineup I'd pick nonetheless tho.
 

straightbat

Cricket Spectator
Ben Hilfenhaus is the best option for me. Good control and swings the ball consistantly at 88mph. Also has good variety with the older ball. Tait is an enigma and if fit will compliment the attack if any injuries arise. Johnson effectively missed a season last year as the travelling water boy and needs to get some cricket under his belt early season.
 

pup11

International Coach
I think Tait should be the 3rd quickie he should be used to rattle the batsmen, he would be wayward but he will also pick wickets and he is also a great exponent of reverse swing and in sub-continental conditions he would be more than handy.
 

PhoenixFire

International Coach
I want to see a Lee - Tait opening partnership. That would probably be one of the fastest opening partnerships ever. Obviously, that alone by itself is not enough, but it can be such a huge bonus if they both come off. I mean Dhoni looked almost clueless vs. Flintoff at 91mph. I can't imagine facing 96mph at both ends, especially with the action Tait has.

I think they would complement each other nicely.
Is Lee capable of that pace anymore?
 

PhoenixFire

International Coach
Basically, I reckon that Johnson should be the man. An attack with Tait, Lee and Clark is great on their day, and could destroy any batting line-up, but Lee and Tait are both prone to bowling rubbish and getting smashed at least once a series. If that happens, you have Clark, and who else can keep it tight with line and length? One bowler of their style is enough for me, and from what I've seen of Johnson, he's dependable and a wicket-taker, just like Clark. When Lee retires, which isn't that far away, then Tait should definitley come in for him.
 

vic_orthdox

Global Moderator
I think Johnson's "dependability" is being a bit overstated here. He still hasn't strung together a whole season of Pura Cup cricket due to injury, and he hasn't played a lot of cricket since he came into the Australian fold. He's a guy who has spent a lot of his time being a "tearaway" as a junior, and is still learning a lot about his craft.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
I think Tait should be the 3rd quickie he should be used to rattle the batsmen, he would be wayward but he will also pick wickets and he is also a great exponent of reverse swing and in sub-continental conditions he would be more than handy.
Well, he might also pick wickets - the only way to know would be to find-out.

As has been said, though, Lee and Tait in the same side means things can always go very badly wrong in not much time.
 

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
I picked Tait, but it really depends on form and fitness issues. Hilfenhaus is in with a real shot, with Johnson and Gillespie just behind those two. Bracken is unlikely, I'd say.
 

PhoenixFire

International Coach
I think Johnson's "dependability" is being a bit overstated here. He still hasn't strung together a whole season of Pura Cup cricket due to injury, and he hasn't played a lot of cricket since he came into the Australian fold. He's a guy who has spent a lot of his time being a "tearaway" as a junior, and is still learning a lot about his craft.
Yeah but he looks just like Steve O!

Wasn't he meant to be like faster than Lee when he was 18 or something then did his back and had to start all over again?
 

iamdavid

International Debutant
Is Lee capable of that pace anymore?
Course, just a tiny bit less rapid than we're used to from him. Last season we saw the first signs of him slowing down, majority of his deliveries in the mid to high 140's which is still very quick by any standard, just fewer of the 150kph+ deliveries we've become used to and he was consistently outpaced by Tait, first time a bowler in the same conditions has been significantly quicker than him since 2002 against Shoaib.
 

PhoenixFire

International Coach
Hmm, not sure that he can still get up to 96 consistently. Maybe now and again, but there is a huge gap between 90 and 96.
 

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