Who is the most frustrating player playing for your country?

[Neil Pickup]

I get frustrated with Ashley Giles hes a spinner who doesnt spin the ball!

So that one that bowled Cairns went straight?

 

[tooextracool]

So that one that bowled Cairns went straight?

it was a leg cutter

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

but its only been 5 tests so far and he averages nearly 40.....if he carried on getting himself out playing stupid shots then he would be a frustrating player.

1/ He averages that much because of an unbeaten century on debut. He's not crossed 50 since. The closest he came to a 50 since, he played a stupid shot to get out... to the shock of all.

2/ They're not just mildly stupid shots. They're shots that I bet even Neil's boys wouldn't play.

 

[Piper]

So that one that bowled Cairns went straight?

Ok maybe that one was different, but most of the time it never moves! He never moved it as much as Vettori

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Ok maybe that one was different, but most of the time it never moves! He never moved it as much as Vettori

Spinners generally don't get movement.

 

[Neil Pickup]

1/ He averages that much because of an unbeaten century on debut. He's not crossed 50 since. The closest he came to a 50 since, he played a stupid shot to get out... to the shock of all.

2/ They're not just mildly stupid shots. They're shots that I bet even Neil's boys wouldn't play.

2/ Sorry to disappoint you, but some of my boys' shot selection is sub-Dwayne at times.

But it does happen less often

 

[Craig]

Flintoff - did have a history - past.

Not quite sure how Richardson is frustrating when he's one of the best at his job in the business.

What I consider fustrating about Richardson is that bats for so long (nothign wrong with that) but does not go on to make the 100s, not with standing the bad decisions he sometimes gets as they are part and parcel of the game.

As with regards to Flintoff, I have seen him play well since his massive improvement a couple of years back and of late and still throw it away.

I remember the Test match v South Africa at Lord last year when England were in trouble and he threw away an innings England needed by falling into South Africa's trap of two men back and bouncing him (the 1st innings) and at Headingly I do remember him getting out trying to slog.

 

[tooextracool]

1/ He averages that much because of an unbeaten century on debut. He's not crossed 50 since. The closest he came to a 50 since, he played a stupid shot to get out... to the shock of all.

2/ They're not just mildly stupid shots. They're shots that I bet even Neil's boys wouldn't play.

and try telling me what gayle has been doing for the last 5 years(need i remind you how he made a complete fool of himself when he got out to harmo after smacking him for 3 fours?).......oh and sarwan trying to pull his way to 50...
its been 5 tests or rather just 7 innings......i wouldnt expect him to score a 100 and a 50 in 7 innings.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

and try telling me what gayle has been doing for the last 5 years(need i remind you how he made a complete fool of himself when he got out to harmo after smacking him for 3 fours?).......oh and sarwan trying to pull his way to 50...
its been 5 tests or rather just 7 innings......i wouldnt expect him to score a 100 and a 50 in 7 innings.

How do Gayle and Sarwan enter this? Quite frankly I've seen more of Dwayne Smith than you and the fact that he averaged only a bit over 20 when he entered Test cricket is telling. All his career he's been getting out to stupid shots and that's the whole point of it. It's not the fact that he hasn't scored 50's and 100's yet that frustrates me, it's the fact that he has the talent to so easily do so and yet throws it away. If that's not a point for frustration, then I give up - you win.

 

[tooextracool]

How do Gayle and Sarwan enter this?

because gayle in particular is a master of throwing it away.......

Quite frankly I've seen more of Dwayne Smith than you and the fact that he averaged only a bit over 20 when he entered Test cricket is telling. All his career he's been getting out to stupid shots and that's the whole point of it. It's not the fact that he hasn't scored 50's and 100's yet that frustrates me, it's the fact that he has the talent to so easily do so and yet throws it away.

well i dont know much of what dwayne smith has been doing at the first class level and if he has been throwing it away then he should be termed frustrating. i was looking at his record at the test match level and from that i dont think he should be termed frustrating just yet.....

 

[Nate]

got to admit, smiths form has been a bit
some of the shots he plays are amazing... but then as soon as he starts, hes gooone

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

well i dont know much of what dwayne smith has been doing at the first class level and if he has been throwing it away then he should be termed frustrating. i was looking at his record at the test match level and from that i dont think he should be termed frustrating just yet.....

Well, I can't remember his first Test dismissal, but 3 of the 6 times he's been out have gone as follows:

1/ Team fairly up against it. First ball, loose drive - missed it. Second ball - loose drive missed it. Third ball - loose drive hit on the pad. A few lovely shots later and 39 runs, Kallis pitches up, loose drive and edged to the 'keeper.

2/ Team 1-0 down in the series and crumbling after a 100-run opening stand. Looking to be aggressive, just pulled Harmison ( ? ) over midwicket for a six that would make Viv himself proud. Vaughan adjusts the field and put a man in a straightish midwicket position for that shot. Next ball, goes for same shot, top edged and caught.

3/ Bangladesh racked up a very good total on first innings and WI still some 160odd behind on first innings with 2 days to go. Late on day 3, facing up to some innocuous spin bowling from Rafique. Only Jacobs to come among useful batting and Gayle at the other end on a century. Down the track, hit in the air and caught on the boundary just a few overs before the close.

I have gained some measure of respect for Dwayne Smith recently, after seeing him working on his game in the ODIs, but he is still extremely frustrating in that he has more power than anyone I've seen and such glorious natural timing. If he develops his brain a bit further, he could be the biggest thing since Lara for the West Indies.

 

[garage flower]

because gayle in particular is a master of throwing it away.......



well i dont know much of what dwayne smith has been doing at the first class level and if he has been throwing it away then he should be termed frustrating. i was looking at his record at the test match level and from that i dont think he should be termed frustrating just yet.....

Dwayne Smith was ceratinly the first name that sprung to mind when I saw this thread.

The difference between him and Gayle, is that Gayle isn't necessarily a frustrating under-achiever given his technical limitations. The frustration, in his case, relates more to the fact that he seems unable to make technical improvements.

Smith, on the other hand, while not perfect technically, has the ability to have scored many more runs in his fledgling international career, but - as Mr M exemplifies - tends to throw his innings away by playing brainless shots.

Sarwan has also been frustrating in this sense, specifically with his damaging hook/pull shot fetish. After those relatively easy runs against the Tigers though, I'm hopeful that he can maintain the mid-40s average that is comensurate with his talent.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I think Sarwan is more talented than a mid-40's average. With his talent, he should be averaging a half-century per innings.

 

[biased indian]

So that one that bowled Cairns went straight?

it has to be celebrated as a big event, as it happens like an olympics or euro cup

 

[garage flower]

I think Sarwan is more talented than a mid-40's average. With his talent, he should be averaging a half-century per innings.

A big call and particularly difficult in a team that, if we're honest, is likely to be a losing one for some time to come.

Wouldn't rule it out altogether though; Ronnie's certainly young enough to keep on improving.

 

[Loony BoB]

Sinclair & McMillan - Inconsistency personified.
Bond - Or more so his injuries.
Butler - Check his stats - including a massive seven wickets in ten ODI's!
Adams - Dammit, boy, stop trying too hard at international level.

EDIT: Oh yes, can't forget...

Cairns - DON'T RETIRE NOW!

 

[Linda]

Most frustrating... Shane Warne and Brett Lee.
Warney's a legend, but imagine how much better he couldve been had he not gotten himself into the sticky situations he is notorious for.
And like Mr. P said, Lee is so damaging when he's having a good day. Other days, he's the worst bowler out there. He is so gawd damn inconsistant, its.. well frustrating.

 

[Langeveldt]

Most frustrating... Shane Warne and Brett Lee.
Warney's a legend, but imagine how much better he couldve been had he not gotten himself into the sticky situations he is notorious for.
And like Mr. P said, Lee is so damaging when he's having a good day. Other days, he's the worst bowler out there. He is so gawd damn inconsistant, its.. well frustrating.

Im not sure Shane Warne is the kind of person that would let the rubbish that has gone on off the field affect his bowling... Id hope not anyway... If anything his one year ban may have lengthened his career

 

[Mingster]

The injury for the NZ bowlers.