Who is the greatest test spinner of all time?

[Migara]

I don't know about significantly better but I do take the point that Murali benefited by playing a whole load of games v Bang/Zim that did help his overall stats. The point about often playing at Brisbane/Perth is fair enough, but also Warne never had to bowl against the Australian test match batting lineup either.

Done with this too. Once you standardize the averages against common oppositions, their record is almost identical with Murali leading a tiny bit.

 

[Migara]

Herath, Kaniera, Vettori and MacGill bowled predominantly in the following decade and Saqlain's figures somewhat high for a sub con bowler. Sneaking Hogg in was pretty funny too.

Hell no.

 

[_00_deathscar]

So the answer is The Answer-lite?

 

[the big bambino]

We have done with this too. Murali has failed in Australia and in India. Warne has failed in India, vs India in Australia and West indies. If you count "holes" Warne has more.

We have done with it but you just haven’t accepted it. You might argue it’s closer than I say but doesn’t change Warne was superior.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Muralis stats padded by Bangladesh and Zimbabwe

Warne is so great, there is no comparable spinner In the world today with that diverse skill set- flipper, wrong un, zooter etc . Whereas Murali has similar in Ashwin, Jadeja, Shakib, etc. All three have the carrom ball, the arm ball, slider etc.

Good points halba

 

[the big bambino]

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Hell no.

Quite apart from highlighting the saqlain issue to avoid admitting your error on the other points, it seems saqlain is at the lower end of that list due to a higher bowling average.

 

[halba]

Yep it's no contest re Warne v Murali. The main reason is Murali no good down under. Down under should be given more points, hence Warne is better. Heck even Ashwin, Kuldeep, Jadeja are better spinners down under than Murali, and they aren't even ATG(outside of subcontinent). But overall Murali is definitely the no2 test spinner in history.

 

[DCH]

Around February, I had calculated average quality of all the batsmen dismissed by spinners during their test career. O'Reilly's bow avg is 22.60, throughout his career he dismissed batsmen avging 31.1, so he is net positive 8.5 per wkt for his team, which is best for all test spinners with minimum 100 wkts.
I haven't taken batsman's final career avg but avg when he was dismissed.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Murali and Warne being equally badly against India is a myth perpetuated by casuals. Murali dominated India at home and we couldn't beat SL in SL for a decade primarily because of him.

 

[Migara]

We have done with it but you just haven’t accepted it. You might argue it’s closer than I say but doesn’t change Warne was superior.

two is less than three. Unless there is a dearth of grey matter it is very clear.

 

[Migara]

Quite apart from highlighting the saqlain issue to avoid admitting your error on the other points, it seems saqlain is at the lower end of that list due to a higher bowling average.

Sub 25 average is not normal for great SC spinners. It is more like 28-32. Only three spinners are aub 25. So, Saqlain is on par with great SC spinners like Kumble, Bedi, Chandra, Gupte, Qadir, Qasim etc. Murali, Ashwin and Jadeja are the outliers[/QUOTE]

 

[the big bambino]

two is less than three. Unless there is a dearth of grey matter it is very clear.

You forget the friendly home advantage and minnow boost. Making 3 less than 4 dumb ass.

Sub 25 average is not normal for great SC spinners. It is more like 28-32. Only three spinners are aub 25. So, Saqlain is on par with great SC spinners like Kumble, Bedi, Chandra, Gupte, Qadir, Qasim etc. Murali, Ashwin and Jadeja are the outliers

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But still high on the list and an issue settled anyway. So lets talk about you misplacing bowlers from the naughties and somehow rating Hogg.

 

[Migara]

You forget the friendly home advantage and minnow boost. Making 3 less than 4 dumb ass.

You are once again showing the lack of grey matter. Please shut up, more you post, more you cause the collective IQ of the board to plummet.

 

[Migara]

Around February, I had calculated average quality of all the batsmen dismissed by spinners during their test career. O'Reilly's bow avg is 22.60, throughout his career he dismissed batsmen avging 31.1, so he is net positive 8.5 per wkt for his team, which is best for all test spinners with minimum 100 wkts.
I haven't taken batsman's final career avg but avg when he was dismissed.

There goes Warne's wickets are more valued drivel out of the window.

 

[honestbharani]

Murali clearly the better bowler but not by enough to make me select him in my ATG XI. Warne's batting and slip fielding are more valuable in that setting than the slight dip in quality as a spinner.

 

[Coronis]

Been a while since I’ve seen Migara this fired up. Quality stuff.

 

[the big bambino]

You are once again showing the lack of grey matter. Please shut up, more you post, more you cause the collective IQ of the board to plummet.

You select criteria that contradicts your point about Saqlain and don't understand the benefit of bowling to minnows and in friendly home conditions. You can't be too concerned about the board's IQ average when you post like a Chris Martin level tailender; dumb ass.

 

[HookShot]

The Warne Vs Murali debate will continue until hell freezes over, but the fast leg-breaks bowled by Bill O’Reilly have to be a more effective method of delivery overall than something slow and loopy that an expert batsman can get down the track to and belt for 4.

The likes of Neil Harvey or Peter May would throttle both Warne and Murali, just like VVS and Tendulkar did on a good day.

 

[HookShot]

Chandrasekhar is not quite top-shelf, but certainly very close and great to watch. Probably bowled at a similar pace to O’Reilly if this video is anything to go by….

 

[Migara]

You select criteria that contradicts your point about Saqlain and don't understand the benefit of bowling to minnows and in friendly home conditions. You can't be too concerned about the board's IQ average when you post like a Chris Martin level tailender; dumb ass.

Once again further reducing the collective IQ.

For your pea brain to process one fact at a time, and to avoid embarrassment

- India, WI, Aus are not minnows.
- Australia, India and West Indies have no home advantage for Murali and India and West indies have no home advantages for Warne.
- Still Warne has crap figures against India in India, against india in Australia (with rampaging McGrath bowling at other end), and in West indies.
- Murali ahs crap figures in India and Australia
- 2<3
- There are no minnows involved here

unless it is a stupidest of a tree, would not go on about minnows on this argument.