Who is the best international captain?

[a massive zebra]

The worst is Inzamam by far but Lara is not very good. It is difficult to judge Ponting and Bashar, because the result of most of the matches they play is a forgone conclusion.

 

[Swervy]

How can you say that? India are now a real force under Ganguly, before he came to power they had been perpetual mid table underachievers. He has really sorted them out and enabled them to reach their potential.

well they still are mid table underacheivers.

anyway, thank his players more than anything for any success India have had (which in reality isnt that much)...watch him in the field, it can be embarressing, he lets the game just evoporate as soon as things go wrong,he shuts up and bites his nails...great example

 

[Swervy]

Well they have improved under him to be fair. They beat India at home and managed to avoid defeat in Australia, and Fleming has far less resources than Ponting or Ganguly. But I agree Ganguly is better.

its just laughable that anyone could consider Ganguly to be anywhere near in the same class as Fleming as a captain

 

[steds]

well they still are mid table underacheivers.

What about the last two(I think) test series' they played. Drawing with Australia in Oz, then beating Pakistan in Pakistan.

 

[a massive zebra]

its just laughable that anyone could consider Ganguly to be anywhere near in the same class as Fleming as a captain

Oh yeah Fleming is clearly the best captain ever New Zealand would lose to Bangladesh without him.

 

[Swervy]

Oh yeah Fleming is clearly the best captain ever New Zealand would lose to Bangladesh without him.

What????

 

[a massive zebra]

You post deserved a sarcastic response.

 

[Swervy]

You post deserved a sarcastic response.

why...


Fleming is widely regarded as the best capatin, and ganguly is widely regarded as a captain with some severe flaws in his attitude,body language, and tactics....

 

[a massive zebra]

why...


Fleming is widely regarded as the best capatin, and ganguly is widely regarded as a captain with some severe flaws in his attitude,body language, and tactics....

Well until now I have never heard or read anyone mention Ganguly's supposed ''severe flaws in his attitude, body language, and tactics'', so he is almost certainly not widely regarded as a weak captain or whatever you are implying.

Fleming is widely regarded as the best captain, but there is not a lot of evidence to support this claim and, consequently, he is overrated.

 

[Swervy]

well you obviously dont read much about the game then....or watch it, coz when you watch him it is so obvious

 

[a massive zebra]

well you obviously dont read much about the game then....or watch it, coz when you watch him it is so obvious

I watched England vs India 2002 and then India vs England in the winter, Australia vs India 2003/04, a little of Pakistan vs India 2004 and have India vs Australia 2001 on video. And I do read.

 

[Barney Rubble]

Personally, although I haven't seen much of India since they came to England in 2002, I wasn't impressed with Ganguly on that tour - thought India failed to press home an advantage a couple of times, let England off the hook. But then I guess that's partly the team, not just him.

I agree that Ponting, Taibu and Bashar's teams would get the same results regardless of the captain, and that Atapattu is a good captain as well.

Vaughan and Fleming are two excellent captains who have young sides, the difference being that Vaughan has more to work with, plus I think he is more imaginative - however, I think Michael Vaughan has yet to be tested with the captaincy of a weak team, which Fleming has been.

Lara has not impressed me at all though this summer, I think the West Indies have rolled over and died far too easily - if they played Bangladesh tomorrow I would rather bet on a Bangladesh win if forced to bet. Having said that, Lara also has little to work with in terms of bowlers, has had injuries and is hampered by a fairly disorganised coaching setup.

However, the one who stands out for me is Graeme Smith. His infectious enthusiasm pervaded through to the rest of the team last summer, and I thought he had the exact right attitude to the game. With a bit more experience, I believe he will become a great batsman (going by what I saw last year and some useful performances since) and an even greater captain. I also had the good fortune to meet him twice last year, and he was a thoroughly good bloke, courteous and modest (the first time was after scoring 152 v Somerset), I wouldn't begrudge him anything he gets.

 

[Majin]

Vaughan and Fleming are two excellent captains who have young sides, the difference being that Vaughan has more to work with, plus I think he is more imaginative - however, I think Michael Vaughan has yet to be tested with the captaincy of a weak team, which Fleming has been.

Yes he has, his one day team, and they suck. As for England's test team, The weakest West Indies team ever and New Zealand F team aren't exactly the best teams to measure his success on. South Africa in SA and The Ashes is where his captaincy will be tested. His field placings are quite good sometimes though, I'll give him that.

Inzamam is by far the worst, and as much as I like him Ganguly is far, far from being the best. I can't think of anyone better in the Indian team, though.

 

[superkingdave]

A stat i saw on cricinfo today made laugh though..

Vaughan 12 wins in 18 tests

Hussain 17 wins in 45 tests

Atherton 13 wins in 54 tests

 

[Majin]

6 against worst windies, 2 against New Zealand F (The other was when Tresco captained), 2 against Bangladesh.

10 of those wins are against nothing opposition. The only really good ones were the first two against South Africa last year.

 

[Neil Pickup]

It's funny how sides that were supposed to be difficult propositions before we beat them suddenly become pushovers afterwards.

 

[Swervy]

6 against worst windies, 2 against New Zealand F (The other was when Tresco captained), 2 against Bangladesh.

10 of those wins are against nothing opposition. The only really good ones were the first two against South Africa last year.

you still have to beat the opposition whoever they are.....lets face it, with the attitude that a lot of people have on here, no victory for England would count unless it was vs Australia.

And I would dispute whether this is a worse WI team than say from a couple of years ago..and remember only a few months ago most people thought that any series between England and WI would be close

 

[Hit4Six]

It's funny how sides that were supposed to be difficult propositions before we beat them suddenly become pushovers afterwards.

funny how england beat injury hampered NZ and sloppy windies and are suddenly deserving of the highest praise? and no NZ arent pushovers they just fell to pieces with injuries

 

[Majin]

I never thought the Windies would be difficult, and NZ definately would have been if they weren't so riddled with Injuries. If they'd beaten the Full strengh NZ team like they did the F team, that would have been something. I got nothing against them, and I realise that you still have to win, but people going on like they're such hot **** atm is just a little bit strange really, when they haven't been tested really.

 

[Swervy]

funny how england beat injury hampered NZ and sloppy windies and are suddenly deserving of the highest praise? and no NZ arent pushovers they just fell to pieces with injuries

i guess we will have to see how England manage with 2 major batsmen injured for the next test (Butcher and Thorpe to go with the sudden retirement of another major player earlier in the season in Hussain.

Oh and Engalnd have also done well vs SA and have a won one lost none record since the start of last year vs my beloved Australia..I guess they dont count, coz SA arent as good as they used to be and Australia always throw the last game of a series