Who is the Best "Cricketer" Ever?

[kyear2]

Yes, I would beg to differ.

Why do you say that fielding and catching is a no contest? Kallis is an awesome fielder himself. Some egs

Jacques Kallis *Incredible Catch* Pakistan v South Africa final at Sharjah 2000 - YouTube

Jacques Kallis Fantastic Reflex Catch - YouTube

Fantabulous catch from Jacques Kallis (ENG vs SA: T3D3 - Basil D'Oliveira Trophy 2012) - YouTube

Or you meant that Kallis is a better fielder?

Secondly, Sobers didn't have people like Shaun Pollock and Allan Donald at the other end most of the time else I am sure Sobers wouldn't really be needed all that would he?

No surprise there.

 

[smash84]

if there are no surprises here then why were you claiming that fielding is a no contest?

 

[kyear2]

I meant that you disagreed.

 

[akilana]

Yes, I would beg to differ.

Why do you say that fielding and catching is a no contest? Kallis is an awesome fielder himself. Some egs

Jacques Kallis *Incredible Catch* Pakistan v South Africa final at Sharjah 2000 - YouTube

Jacques Kallis Fantastic Reflex Catch - YouTube

Fantabulous catch from Jacques Kallis (ENG vs SA: T3D3 - Basil D'Oliveira Trophy 2012) - YouTube

Or you meant that Kallis is a better fielder?

Secondly, Sobers didn't have people like Shaun Pollock and Allan Donald at the other end most of the time else I am sure Sobers wouldn't really be needed all that would he?

Why? It will go in a circle like it usually does with some people. Sobers is 4th on the list of great players. Kallis trumps him in all desciplines.

 

[H4G]

If you take out the not outs you open the chance for removing excellent innings by the players.

I agree with you but this what people do to discredit what good batsman like Imran achieved in his career.

 

[H4G]

Separate note, anyone else surprised that Kallis is still tied with Sir Garry in the poll. Is there a growing trend on CW where Kallis is moving past Sobers?

Both would struggle a lot to make my All-Time XI as allrounders though Sobers is always welcome as a batsman as I simply don't consider him an allrounder but an alltime great bastman who could bowl a bit.

 

[H4G]

Yes, Sobers played as a frontliner, Kallis did not. It's a no contest in all disciplines for me.

Sami & Agarkar also played as frontliners,does it make a difference?Statistically & realistically Sobers as bowler was a combination of Mohammad Sami & Ian Salisbury.

 

[H4G]

And those who criticize Imran for not being a middle-order bastman just need to see his record @ 6

Imran Khan - Test - Runs by Batting Position

928 runs averaging 60+

 

[H4G]

I think people are thinking that he is being referenced as a great bowler, no one is saying that, what he would be is an excellent "change" or 5th bowler, which is what his role would be.

Good research Watson. As usual putting in the research to support your arguments. Whether I agree with your specific argument or not, respect has to be given for that.

Yeah it really feels great to appreciate others research but only when it suits our cause

 

[smash84]

Sami & Agarkar also played as frontliners,does it make a difference.Statistically & realistically Sobers as bowler was a combination of Mohammad Sami & Ian Salisbury.

ewww.....honestly I couldn't have thought of worse bowlers even if I wanted to......Sobers wasn't this bad

 

[Satyanash89]

Kallis trumps him in all desciplines.

No way... Maybe you could argue he's a more effective bowler, or a slightly better fielder (though I doubt it), but there is NO WAY Kallis is a better batsman... just no

 

[H4G]

ewww.....honestly I couldn't have thought of worse bowlers even if I wanted to......Sobers wasn't this bad

Quite similar strike rate, wickets per match and and and.............

 

[H4G]

Kallis trumps him in all desciplines.

Sobers was twice the batsman Kallis is & thats from someone whom people accuse of being a Sobers hater.

 

[akilana]

No way... Maybe you could argue he's a more effective bowler, or a slightly better fielder (though I doubt it), but there is NO WAY Kallis is a better batsman... just no

There's NO WAY you are right. I mean NO WAY

 

[Satyanash89]

There's NO WAY you are right. I mean NO WAY

Here's how it works... when you simply say A is way better than B, when most people rate B higher, you need to back it up with something substantial... don't try to flip that around on me. You're saying something as outrageous as Kallis trumps Sobers IN ALL THREE DISCIPLINES... burden is on you to provide some reasons, not on me

 

[H4G]

There's NO WAY you are right. I mean NO WAY

I'm in love with your reasoning, superb job

 

[akilana]

Here's how it works... when you simply say A is way better than B, when most people rate B higher, you need to back it up with something substantial... don't try to flip that around on me. You're saying something as outrageous as Kallis trumps Sobers IN ALL THREE DISCIPLINES... burden is on you to provide some reasons, not on me

There's no reason for me to take a post very seriously when it says there's no way A is better than B when they are statistically equal.

 

[harsh.ag]

There's no reason for me to take a post very seriously when it says there's no way A is better than B when they are statistically equal.

Okay, what would you say to a person if he/she said that Chanderpaul (wonderful batsman though he has been, god bless his soul!) is a better batsman than Viv as per the statistically equal argument, since Shiv has a better average after more matches, more runs and more centuries?

 

[kingpin]

Suresh Raina,Yuvraj Singh.

 

[kyear2]

Okay, what would you say to a person if he/she said that Chanderpaul (wonderful batsman though he has been, god bless his soul!) is a better batsman than Viv as per the statistically equal argument, since Shiv has a better average after more matches, more runs and more centuries?

Oe that Ken Barrington is a better batsman than Tendulkar, Richards, Lara and Chappell.