Who is the 2nd best Australian cricketer ?

[The Sean]

Ha, yep I remember I actually voted Warne over Miller which would have given Warne the win but my vote was too late to count and so it went to the tiebreaker which Miller won!

 

[The Sean]

It's always interesting how much lower Lillee gets rated on CW compared to anywhere else when ranking Australian cricketers.

 

[trundler]

At the risk of sounding like a boomer, that is mostly the work of analysis by checklist revisionism. Even still, I think McGrath was a better bowler so there's that. Ray Lindwall is the most shafted ATG Australian I think. The greatest pacer ever at the time of his retirement and a handy bat.

 

[ankitj]

This is the thread everyone's talking about?

Battle of the Australians - Mk II

Well, we've talked about it in the past and I figure its been long enough since the last one (Sept. 06). Last time around we excluded Bradman for obvious reasons and made a list of 64 players IIRC where Keith Miller came out on top. Anyone fancy starting the nominations, I'll be taking my laptop...

www.cricketweb.net

 

[Gob]

I'm sorry sir Donald, I'm sorry big Merv but Warnie is your man. Some people say his poo is pure white with no smell what so ever and I believe it

 

[Aritro]

I read a quarter of Gideon Haigh's plodding tome on Trumper, which was actually a book about cricket photography with some Trumper bits. Great writer, niche book - too niche to be enjoyable.

Anyway, he'd probably say Trumper.

 

[ankitj]

McGrath, Warne and Miller incredibly close for me.

 

[Aritro]

At the risk of sounding like a boomer, that is mostly the work of analysis by checklist revisionism. Even still, I think McGrath was a better bowler so there's that. Ray Lindwall is the most shafted ATG Australian I think. The greatest pacer ever at the time of his retirement and a handy bat.

He's another one on my list of players who were much better documented and more revered when I started watching cricket in the 90s than they are now.

 

[Gob]

At the risk of sounding like a boomer, that is mostly the work of analysis by checklist revisionism. Even still, I think McGrath was a better bowler so there's that. Ray Lindwall is the most shafted ATG Australian I think. The greatest pacer ever at the time of his retirement and a handy bat.

Did he throw it though?

 

[Pup Clarke]

Bit surprised to see Gilchrist in a top 5. Terrific counter-attacking player, extremely good keeper and pioneer of the batsman/keeper philosophy but he really tailed off in the last three years of his career. That is just too big to ignore imo
Genuinely wholesome bloke (not a try hard like a few of his colleagues) and a shoe-in for top 10

 

[nightprowler10]

Ha, yep I remember I actually voted Warne over Miller which would have given Warne the win but my vote was too late to count and so it went to the tiebreaker which Miller won!

Haha yes, I thought I'd be lauded for my consistency in sticking to the hard 48 hour rule but instead it came off as biased and at best tone deaf.

 

[honestbharani]

Warne. Being box office should also count here IMO.

 

[Slifer]

Gilchrist. Gilchrist took Australia from being a great team to an ATG.

Regarding Warne vs McGrath. McGrath all day. A bowler's job is to take wickets and if at all possible: cheaply, quickly and all over the world (and especially vs the very best). McGrath did this all better than Warne and pretty much better than I daresay, most bowlers in history.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

I don’t get the obsession some people have with declines. People get older, it happens. It doesn’t alter how good a cricketer someone was. As long as they’re good enough for long enough that’s all I care about.

 

[subshakerz]

I don’t get the obsession some people have with declines. People get older, it happens. It doesn’t alter how good a cricketer someone was. As long as they’re good enough for long enough that’s all I care about.

It depends on the declines. Most ATGs had a relatively minor dip at the end that didnt affect their overall standing. But then you have cricketers like Botham whose decline began basically half way in his career.

 

[subshakerz]

Bit surprised to see Gilchrist in a top 5. Terrific counter-attacking player, extremely good keeper and pioneer of the batsman/keeper philosophy but he really tailed off in the last three years of his career. That is just too big to ignore imo
Genuinely wholesome bloke (not a try hard like a few of his colleagues) and a shoe-in for top 10

Except for Bradman he is the closest to a lock in an ATG XI.

 

[TheJediBrah]

At the risk of sounding like a boomer, that is mostly the work of analysis by checklist revisionism.

Oh you've been to Cricket Chat I see

 

[Coronis]

Bit surprised to see Gilchrist in a top 5. Terrific counter-attacking player, extremely good keeper and pioneer of the batsman/keeper philosophy but he really tailed off in the last three years of his career. That is just too big to ignore imo
Genuinely wholesome bloke (not a try hard like a few of his colleagues) and a shoe-in for top 10

People often tend to completely ignore somwone tailing off in the latter part of their career, even over a far greater time period than Gilchrist. e.g Viv would be the best example I can think of off the top of my head.

 

[ma1978]

I remain reasonably shocked and appalled that people rate Smith above Ponting

Ponting was Smith (or better) for as long as Smith has been Smith and had a valuable career on either side of that

In addition to being a great fielder and iconic leader

 

[OverratedSanity]

At the risk of sounding like a boomer, that is mostly the work of analysis by checklist revisionism. Even still, I think McGrath was a better bowler so there's that. Ray Lindwall is the most shafted ATG Australian I think. The greatest pacer ever at the time of his retirement and a handy bat.

Davidson easily the most under appreciated Australian great imo.