Who Is Martin Crowe ?

[social]

Murali was suspended - in terms of being prohibited from bowling the doosra whilst undergoing testing/remedial action.

 

[Lostman]

To be honest, I had had a skinful at the time and it would have been water off a duck's back any other time. In any case, do you go around calling people "wankers" when you speak to them in person or are you only brave enough to do it over the internet?

nah im just like you, im only brave enough to slander someone's life and career over a message board and not in front of them.

 

[Son Of Coco]

This is like saying because Shane Warne tested positive once, we should subject the guy to blood and Urine Tests after every test and every day of every Test.

Every time he p****es we want it tested !!

BTW I have seen dwarves play basketball - strangely they only play among themselves !!

Actually...it's nothing like that at all.

 

[social]

this is similar to the 90's theory "we can't reverse swing, we don't understand reverse swing - waqar and wasim reverse swing are hence are cheats they should be banned "

Just found this on cricinfo nz's webpage when looking for transript of Crowe's remarks.

http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/columns/content/story/259676.html

 

[Krishna_j]

The bottom line is while Murali has been tested, it's not beyond the realms of comprehension that he should bowl a few balls beyond the allowed degree. And I think that's what Martin Crowe is talking about. I personally don't have an opinion here because I have a different idea on what constitutes a legal delivery.

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IMO that the only solution to the Murali issue is for Murali to start bowling with his left hand instead - which is presumably straight and not bent - if he is as good then let him show us the doosra with the other hand

 

[Lostman]

both arms are bent

 

[legglancer12]

It really bugs me how whenever an Asain cricketer is called into question, be is Akram for ball tampering or Murali for a questionable action, people say it's racially motivated. I understand racism is a horrible problem in the world, but calling somebody a racist can be just as offensive and should only be done under the highest standard of proof. How come nobody called "racism" when Johan Botha was called for chucking when his doosera came into question? And if I recall, he got suspended while Murali didn't. And if I recall again, the ICC changed the rules when Murali was bowling to allow no more than 15 degree bend or something to that effect. Jaques Kallis said it best when he said something like, "why should the rules change for Murali and not for Botha."

The bottom line is while Murali has been tested, it's not beyond the realms of comprehension that he should bowl a few balls beyond the allowed degree. And I think that's what Martin Crowe is talking about. I personally don't have an opinion here because I have a different idea on what constitutes a legal delivery.

But what I'm trying to say is the word "racism" is used far to much in cricket. There are people, with no proof, who spread this idea that Murali has been called so many times so white Australians can ensure Warne kept the all-time wicket record. And they make these claims WITH NO PROOF!

Warne gets suspended for a year while Shoaib gets off...

Botha is out of the game for a while while Murali bowls...

Are these unfair circumstances? I don't know... but my point is I could easily call bias towards Asains... only I wouldn't dare since there's no proof.

I just wish people would think before they call someone else a "racist."

I think you are suffering from a decease called "selective memory syndrome"

 

[legglancer12]

I think it should come back to common sense really. If a bowler's action looks dodgy to a large number of people and they question it, the player should be handed a suspension for as long as it takes for them to rectify it in the nets. Some players may not be able to do this. It's unfortunate for them if they have a physical abnormality, but tough luck, how many dwarves do you see in the NBA? It's not a race thing, or a personal attack on Murali himself, who seems like a hell of a nice bloke off and on the field. There are plenty of other bowlers who I find myself cringing when I watch. SL's Perera, the most recent. Kyle Mills (notice he is a fellow kiwi), Brett Lee, Akhtar mainly are the ones who spring to mind.

what part of "optical Illusion" dont you understand ? Just because someone's action LOOKS smooth it does not mean that he does NOT flex ......

 

[legglancer12]

I agree with Crowe. Good on him for speaking out

And I am sure you believe in Santa too ....

 

[legglancer12]

Sorry what is that? All it is is Akram speaking. Again the issue has always been ball tampering (which Pakistan were accused of in '92) rather than reverse swing itself.

Well Akram was in the thick of the "reverse swing" scandal so he is eminently more qualified than you or me to address the issue. Which high horse are you getting off when you think you can dismiss him whithout any reasoning ?

 

[Goughy]

Well Akram was in the thick of the "reverse swing" scandal so he is eminently more qualified than you or me to address the issue. Which high horse are you getting off when you think you can dismiss him whithout any reasoning ?

Because the thick of it you are talking about is as the accused. I dont have to beleive someone I think has a history of being dishonest do I? He is not a man who opinions I necessarily respect.

 

[legglancer12]

Because the thick of it you are talking about is as the accused. I dont have to beleive someone I think has a history of being dishonest do I? He is not a man who opinions I necessarily respect.

Maybe for you and other like minded .... but their are some of us who actually have enormous respect for the man. Of course he was not perfect in all his dealings. But unlike some idiots belive I dont think he was successful because he was cheating. Rather that he was a brilliant exponant of the art of bowling.

 

[JASON]

IMO that the only solution to the Murali issue is for Murali to start bowling with his left hand instead - which is presumably straight and not bent - if he is as good then let him show us the doosra with the other hand

both arms are bent

May be Murali should now start bowling with his legs !!
(which are hopefully not bent at the knees)

 

[James]

This is like saying because Shane Warne tested positive once, we should subject the guy to blood and Urine Tests after every test and every day of every Test.

Every time he p****es we want it tested !!

BTW I have seen dwarves play basketball - strangely they only play among themselves !!

You know the rules and shouldn't have to be told.

 

[JASON]

You know the rules and shouldn't have to be told.

I Apologise !!

Won't happen again.

 

[JF.]

This like playing an Old record over and over again. Go and read about the various tests he has had and then come and discuss it. We are bored to death having to go over this same old issue over and over again. in 1995 he was cleared - after not 1 but 2 different analysis/Tests . There was nothing wrong with his elbow - he cannot extend it fully -was the conclusion .

Now don't come back with the same question again ...

Seems you have failed to grasp my point. There were no rules about degree of flexion in those days. That came later and was a direct result of the SL cricket board threatening to sue the ICC on the grounds of racism. I'm going back to the original incident and asking why SL couldn't just accept the umpire's decision - back then? Because if they had, we wouldn't have all this crap now.

I'm a regular at another forum and believe me, we have been over this a squillion times too. But my point stands. Why were the rules changed on account of ONE man?

 

[JF.]

It really bugs me how whenever an Asain cricketer is called into question, be is Akram for ball tampering or Murali for a questionable action, people say it's racially motivated. I understand racism is a horrible problem in the world, but calling somebody a racist can be just as offensive and should only be done under the highest standard of proof. How come nobody called "racism" when Johan Botha was called for chucking when his doosera came into question? And if I recall, he got suspended while Murali didn't. And if I recall again, the ICC changed the rules when Murali was bowling to allow no more than 15 degree bend or something to that effect. Jaques Kallis said it best when he said something like, "why should the rules change for Murali and not for Botha."

The bottom line is while Murali has been tested, it's not beyond the realms of comprehension that he should bowl a few balls beyond the allowed degree. And I think that's what Martin Crowe is talking about. I personally don't have an opinion here because I have a different idea on what constitutes a legal delivery.

But what I'm trying to say is the word "racism" is used far to much in cricket. There are people, with no proof, who spread this idea that Murali has been called so many times so white Australians can ensure Warne kept the all-time wicket record. And they make these claims WITH NO PROOF!

Warne gets suspended for a year while Shoaib gets off...

Botha is out of the game for a while while Murali bowls...

Are these unfair circumstances? I don't know... but my point is I could easily call bias towards Asains... only I wouldn't dare since there's no proof.

I just wish people would think before they call someone else a "racist."

BRILLIANT POST!!!! Hear hear!

 

[luffy]

Not very often i agree with a New Zealander but i feel it is correct

 

[Lostman]

Seems you have failed to grasp my point. There were no rules about degree of flexion in those days. That came later and was a direct result of the SL cricket board threatening to sue the ICC on the grounds of racism. I'm going back to the original incident and asking why SL couldn't just accept the umpire's decision - back then? Because if they had, we wouldn't have all this crap now.

I'm a regular at another forum and believe me, we have been over this a squillion times too. But my point stands. Why were the rules changed on account of ONE man?

How do you manage to make this stuff up? very creative

 

[JASON]

How do you manage to make this stuff up? very creative

No point wasting energy over some of these dumb posts, tbh .

If I were you I would just leave it because, the inability of some (posters- you know who) to grasp simple things or to to fabricate stuff is beyond belief .