Who is favorite

[wahindiawah]

Yes, and let's look at the players who have succeeded at Domestic Level and International Level:

Gilchrist
Ponting
McGrath
Hayden
Langer
Gillespie
Warne
Tendulkar
Dravid
Thorpe
Gough
Inzamam
Zaheer
Sehwag
Lara
Pollock

etc...

You get the idea? Now a constructive argument as to how Agarkar could be considered better than Watson?

And some who failed at International level
Hick
Kambli
Rizwan-uz-zaman
Ankola
Kuruvilla
Ganesh
Kasprowicz
Ricado
Fazle-akbar

Are u getting something now??

As for Averages, Watson averages 57.33 with the ball!!!! Yeah man he's way better than Ajit

 

[wahindiawah]

Agarkar averages 26 in a domestic set-up where lots of players can average over 50 in a career, and NOT get called up for any higher level cricket.

Watson averages over 40 where the average batting average is far lower than that.

Now work out who's the better batsman?

Interesting, Ajit is a bowling all rounder and u are just interested in comparing him with Watson on the basis of their batting.So u wanna avoid talking about bowling.Fact is that Ajit ave 28 while Watson ave 57 with the ball.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Watson having played enough games to have a realistic comparison?

And Agarkar is a bowling all-rounder? From this series he's looked like a batting all-rounder to me...

 

[Anil]

In this series, he has looked like a fairly decent lower order batsman, we shouldn't even consider the bowling part. So, there is no question of an "all-round" performance in this series. Before this series, he just made up the numbers(before anyone jumps in with that, except on that Aus tour) and was a burden on the team in both the batting and bowling areas.

 

[wahindiawah]

Watson having played enough games to have a realistic comparison?

And Agarkar is a bowling all-rounder? From this series he's looked like a batting all-rounder to me...

Pickup lane--- Will Watson get enough matches to have a realistic comparison would have been a better question!!

As for Ajit, i thought u knew there are two different form of cricket, in the longer version Watson is never gonna make it so stop talking about it.In onedayer Ajit is a bowling allrounder and have done well with the ball.

 

[Top_Cat]

in the longer version Watson is never gonna make it so stop talking about it.

Disregarding performances at domestic level, this is preposterous. The guys is 20 years old and has played precious few one-dayers for his country. To harp on about his bowling average (completely disregarding that averages in general aren't a complete indicator of ability at any level of cricket, let alone one-day cricket where the premium is placed more on saving runs than taking wickets) is totally unfair.

Geez, Steve Waugh averaged around 35 at Test level before 1992 and now look where his average is. Give the guy a chance. It's obvious for all to see that Ajit doesn't compare to Shane Watson with the bat for pure ability. With the ball, the ability is a little more even and in the field, well Watson wins that one hands down too.

As someone who's seen a fair bit of Shane Watson at junior level for quite some time (and played against him a little while ago), I can tell you this guy can really play. He'll prove it to you in the next two years too. Mark my words.

 

[marc71178]

Hick Agreed
Kambli Average of 50 failure?
Rizwan-uz-zaman Who?
Ankola Who?
Kuruvilla Who?
Ganesh Who?
Kasprowicz Fair enough?
Ricado Who?
Fazle-akbar Who?

Are u getting something now??

Not really - most of those are unknowns, and certainly don't have great career stats.


As for Averages, Watson averages 57.33 with the ball!!!! Yeah man he's way better than Ajit - Don't know about the rest of you, but I'm talking proper cricket, so I posted FIRST CLASS stats, not this slogging rubbish.

 

[Anil]

As for Ajit, i thought u knew there are two different form of cricket, in the longer version Watson is never gonna make it so stop talking about it.In onedayer Ajit is a bowling allrounder and have done well with the ball.

Agarkar's batting average in 100 one dayers is 16.62 with no hundreds and 1 fifty. Exactly how does that make him an all-rounder in one dayers? He has 154 wickets at an average of 28.43, has taken 4 wickets in an innings 7 times, all impressive inspite of a poor economy rate of 5.10 r.p.o. He is in the one day team as a wicket taking bowler, not as an all-rounder.

 

[wahindiawah]

Hick Agreed
Kambli Average of 50 failure?
Rizwan-uz-zaman Who?
Ankola Who?
Kuruvilla Who?
Ganesh Who?
Kasprowicz Fair enough?
Ricado Who?
Fazle-akbar Who?

Are u getting something now??

Not really - most of those are unknowns, and certainly don't have great career stats.


As for Averages, Watson averages 57.33 with the ball!!!! Yeah man he's way better than Ajit - Don't know about the rest of you, but I'm talking proper cricket, so I posted FIRST CLASS stats, not this slogging rubbish.


LOL! We are comparing two onedayer allrounders but u wanna stick to domestic cricket disregarding of International onedayer.As for the WHO's, if u don't know them then it only proves thta u are IGNORANT.How the hell are they gonna have impressive stats? They all were failures at International level BUT Fared extrememly well at DOMESTIC level!!

Both the Guys are just gonna play in Onedayers, Australia isn't a team that will find a place for someone like Watson in their test team.They usually go for specialists in test team, Watson is never gonna make it.



[Edited on 9/10/02 by wahindiawah]

 

[marc71178]

So that's a list of those who've fared extremely well at domestic level is it?

The first one I can't find (sp?)
Ankola averages 25.33 per wicket.
Kuruvilla averages 27.26 per wicket.
Too many Ganesh' there.
Kasprowicz 26.66 per wicket.
Which Ricardo are you talking about?
The only Fazal Akbar I can find has played just 3 First Class Matches.

Now looking at all those, I'd say NONE of them have had exceptional careers at any level.

Lesson 1, If you;re going to try and backup your side with facts, make sure they actually back your argument up

 

[wahindiawah]

So that's a list of those who've fared extremely well at domestic level is it?

The first one I can't find (sp?)
Ankola averages 25.33 per wicket.
Kuruvilla averages 27.26 per wicket.
Too many Ganesh' there.
Kasprowicz 26.66 per wicket.
Which Ricardo are you talking about?
The only Fazal Akbar I can find has played just 3 First Class Matches.

Now looking at all those, I'd say NONE of them have had exceptional careers at any level.

Lesson 1, If you;re going to try and backup your side with facts, make sure they actually back your argument up

So u finally got to know their averages, Big deal buddy, but the mistake u are making is looking at their PRESENT averages.Ankola/Kuruvilla had a very impressive record that paved their way to International cricket, what happened afterwards is history.Faz-le-akbar has been Pak's leading bowler in domestic cricket yet he failed at international level, same is true for Zahid Fazal/Rizwan-uz-zaman .For India Sodhi/Ganesh/Harvinder have all been failures at International level YET have been top bowlers at domestic level.

 

[tribalcouncil]

why are all fixated on Agarkar?

did you know that he was the fastest to pick up 50 wickets in odi's?he did this in just 26 matches...and i think all those matches were played on dry sub continental pitches...and sharjaah too.

there on he has taken around 104 wickets in 70-80 odd matches....impressive by itself.

agreed that majority of his wickets in these last 70-80 matches have been tail enders,but who's to say that he can't regain his form of those first 30 matches?

something seems to be playing on his mind recently...maybe some sort of mental block....once that is resolved, he will be a top performer in odi's for india.

he just needs to improve his consistency in batting...his average hides the fact that his batting career has been punctuated by some fine sparkling innings along with lots of poor ones.

All he has is a mental block of some kind...bears repeating...no problem in the talent department....talent wise , he leaves shane watson far behind.

 

[Anil]

why are all fixated on Agarkar?

did you know that he was the fastest to pick up 50 wickets in odi's?he did this in just 26 matches...and i think all those matches were played on dry sub continental pitches...and sharjaah too.

there on he has taken around 104 wickets in 70-80 odd matches....impressive by itself.

agreed that majority of his wickets in these last 70-80 matches have been tail enders,but who's to say that he can't regain his form of those first 30 matches?

something seems to be playing on his mind recently...maybe some sort of mental block....once that is resolved, he will be a top performer in odi's for india.

he just needs to improve his consistency in batting...his average hides the fact that his batting career has been punctuated by some fine sparkling innings along with lots of poor ones.

All he has is a mental block of some kind...bears repeating...no problem in the talent department....talent wise , he leaves shane watson far behind.

He has been supported by the team and the selectors and give more chances than most other players in Indian cricket history. There has been very little to show for that support over the years. Added to the fact that his strike rate has diminished significantly in one dayers over the years and that the majority of his wickets now come from tail-enders is the fact that he gives away 5.10 runs per over in one dayers.

I really don't recall too many "fine sparkling" innings from him other than that fastest 50 by an Indian in one dayers. In fact, that has been his only 50 so far.

Considering the support and chances he has got over the years, he is the last person who should have a mental block because of lack of confidence or whatever.

 

[Neil Pickup]

It's Fazl-e-Akbar i believe.

And that lot have all had very few internationals so cannot be termed a proper 'failure' like Hick or Ramprakash.

 

[wahindiawah]

His performance was so pathetic, that he wasn't required to carry on the show.U just don't allow someone to carry on with his dull display untill he had played a certain number of matches so that he can finally be labelled as a "Proper Failure"!

 

[Neil Pickup]

Marvan Atapattu scored 2 runs in his first six innings. A short run of games with "failures" says nothing.

Sobers needed 19 to get a ton. And it was 365* when it came.

 

[wahindiawah]

If one goes by ur theory then every tom ,dick and harry would get a long run at the expense of team performance JUST coz they MAY improve with time!
Fact is that u don't just judge a player by stats, the way those players performed made it clear that they were not upto the task and wouldn't have ever been!

 

[Neil Pickup]

:rolleyes:

Three games can never be enough to tell someone's true ability.

 

[marc71178]

If one goes by ur theory then every tom ,dick and harry would get a long run at the expense of team performance JUST coz they MAY improve with time!

Well how else do you explain Agarkar?

 

[wahindiawah]

:rolleyes:

Three games can never be enough to tell someone's true ability.

Its 6 games NOT three games!