who is englands worst spinner

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

As for the why play a spinner argument, because if you play 5 right arm medium fast seamers, and they prove ineffective, you're screwed. Simple.

And if you play 4 seamers and a spinner and they're ineffective, you're screwed. Same with 3 and a spinner or 3 and 2 spinners.

Basically, it doesn't matter what combination you pick. If they're ineffective, you're screwed.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Oh, and Marcus Trescothick has never bowled spin in a Test-match, I can assure all of that. Maybe he might have done on some not-unusual instance of 500 for 6 at Taunton on a hazy August day as another meaningless match petered out into a meaningless draw pre-1999.

Spot the contradiction.

 

[PY]

Spot the contradiction.

Unfortunately (for me anyway), there isn't one. I was sure Tresco had bowled spin before.

He might have not done it in a Test match but he could have done it for Somerset at Taunton in a FC game.

 

[maximoose]

i am pretty sure that the contradion he means is he says,
'Oh, and Marcus Trescothick has never bowled spin in a Test-match'

and then says'
'Maybe he might have done on some not-unusual instance'

see?

 

[PY]

i am pretty sure that the contradion he means is he says,
'Oh, and Marcus Trescothick has never bowled spin in a Test-match'

and then says'
'Maybe he might have done on some not-unusual instance'

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Well no Test cricket at Taunton so therefore his phrase couldn't technically be a contradiction.

But anyway, it's only a small point. I'm not one to believe in this variation codswallop because you can get defensive bowling from Vaughan in England and that's all that Gile-o is used for in England. Play another all-rounder or a leftarm seamer or both if it can be managed.

 

[Neil Pickup]

The "not-unusual" was a reference to a standard tame 500-6 draw at Taunton.

 

[Richard]

And if you play 4 seamers and a spinner and they're ineffective, you're screwed. Same with 3 and a spinner or 3 and 2 spinners.

Basically, it doesn't matter what combination you pick. If they're ineffective, you're screwed.

A shame more people don't realise that.

 

[Richard]

The "not-unusual" was a reference to a standard tame 500-6 draw at Taunton.

Well, all right, it's not as common as I may have made-out.
But you do get more of them at Taunton than anywhere else, because the damn ground is so small as to champion poor batsmen (Blackwell being the best CIP).
And even if the occasions only happen a couple of times a season, it doesn't alter the chances of Trescothick (if he played) twirling his arm over for a couple of offies. Not that anyone suggested it did.

 

[raju]

"So basically I think England's worst spinner who has played international cricket is Dawson and Batty tied - they're both as poor as each other."

Worse than Salisbury?? Consistently woeful even after a number of chances during various phases of his career.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Well no Test cricket at Taunton so therefore his phrase couldn't technically be a contradiction.

Admittedly misinterpretation on my part.

I'm not one to believe in this variation codswallop because you can get defensive bowling from Vaughan in England and that's all that Gile-o is used for in England. Play another all-rounder or a leftarm seamer or both if it can be managed.

This is exactly what I have been preaching!

 

[PY]

IMO, England should choose one out of Rikki Clarke, Paul Collingwood and Ashley Giles depending on pitch, form etc

Does anyone have any decent left-arm seamers who are also 'all-rounders'? (whatever the definition of one is) I'm not too strong on most counties.

 

[Rik]

IMO, England should choose one out of Rikki Clarke, Paul Collingwood and Ashley Giles depending on pitch, form etc

Does anyone have any decent left-arm seamers who are also 'all-rounders'? (whatever the definition of one is) I'm not too strong on most counties.

Only in ICC2

LHB LFM

59 with the bat, 18 with the ball.

 

[marc71178]

Only in ICC2

LHB LFM

59 with the bat, 18 with the ball.

Bulbeck perchance?

 

[Rik]

Bulbeck perchance?

Nope, that would be LMF. This chappy is called Nick Pollock and just took 6-78 and 4-96 against me as well as 71 off 95 balls.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Bulbeck's definitely a leftie!

 

[marc71178]

Nope, that would be LMF. This chappy is called Nick Pollock and just took 6-78 and 4-96 against me as well as 71 off 95 balls.

Oh right, sorry - thought you were talking of a real player on the game!

 

[Rik]

Oh right, sorry - thought you were talking of a real player on the game!

Nope, just a young player who due to the selection policies in ICC2, which share quite a lot of characteristics with the England selection policies, hasn't got picked for England yet...

 

[krkode]

Some ICC players are phenominal in the game without being so in real life (or even if they are, they haven't been selected).

Kevin Dean, Jason Brown, Justin Bates, Michael Powell (Glamorgan) are just few of the names that come to mind.

Sorry to go this off topic, but I was just wondering what happened to Alex Tudor...couldn't England use a player like him?

 

[Neil Pickup]

So much potential, so little application.

 

[Craig]

IMO, England should choose one out of Rikki Clarke, Paul Collingwood and Ashley Giles depending on pitch, form etc

Does anyone have any decent left-arm seamers who are also 'all-rounders'? (whatever the definition of one is) I'm not too strong on most counties.

First of is there any left arm seamers that are good enough for England.

Only one who springs to mind is Ryan Sidebottom (what a funny surname - then again he may think my surname Walsh is pretty funny).