Who is Asia's sixth greatest cricketer?

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Precisely what I said. Dev was a good bowler, and ok bat. Not top class in either.

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Kapil's bowling is equivalent of Abdv, Crowe, Kanhai.. Etc 's batting.. Do you rate them Top class?

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Never heard of McGrath?

Off course... Australia's 2nd Greatest Bowler behind Lillee

 

[number11]

Akthar, Gillespie league bowler
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Kapil's bowling is equivalent of Abdv, Crowe, Kanhai.. Etc 's batting.. Do you rate them Top class?

This is so much nonsense. Dev was not equal to Akhtar or Dizzy as a test bowler alone. Sorry, the notion is silly.
He ave very high 20s with a SR north of 60! Rounded to 1 SF his ave is 30!

 

[capt_Luffy]

This is so much nonsense. Dev was not equal to Akhtar or Dizzy as a test bowler alone. Sorry, the notion is silly.
He ave very high 20s with a SR north of 60! Rounded to 1 SF his ave is 30!

Yeah, the latest CW Bowler's rankings poll results:
Dev: 45
Akhtar: 45
Gillespie: 58
Blindly looking at averages will make you believe Warne was Underwood level; or Hazlewood was better than Roberts. I myself rate Kapil higher than both as a bowler.

 

[number11]

Yeah, the latest CW Bowler's rankings poll results:
Dev: 45
Akhtar: 45
Gillespie: 58
Blindly looking at averages will make you believe Warne was Underwood level; or Hazlewood was better than Roberts. I myself rate Kapil higher than both as a bowler.

I am old enough to have seen Dev and obviously the younger 2. Dev was a decent swing bowler - yes, he bowled with a big heart but he lacked the penetration offered by either of Dizzy or Akhtar. He is a level below both as a bowler. Not a captain on Earth would choose him as a bowler over either of those 2.

As an AR is a different debate.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I am old enough to have seen Dev and obviously the younger 2. Dev was a decent swing bowler - yes, he bowled with a big heart but he lacked the penetration offered by either of Dizzy or Akhtar. He is a level below both as a bowler. Not a captain on Earth would choose him as a bowler over either of those 2.

As an AR is a different debate.

Your opinion which I respect but don't agree with.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

If you’re picking for just one game, you’d pick Shoaib.

If you’re picking for an entire career, you’d probably pick Kapil.

 

[number11]

If you’re picking for just one game, you’d pick Shoaib.

If you’re picking for an entire career, you’d probably pick Kapil.

I think these best of x era operate on the assumption that each man is at his best/in his best form.

Dev is the greater cricketer obviously, but Akhtar was a far superior bowler and if both were available at their best - Akhtar would waltz in.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

I think these best of x era operate on the assumption that each man is at his best/in his best form.

Dev is the greater cricketer obviously, but Akhtar was a far superior bowler and if both were available at their best - Akhtar would waltz in.

By that logic, Waqar > Mcgrath

 

[number11]

By that logic, Waqar > Mcgrath

Across a career -no, but peak v peak, that is at least a match-up.
Dev is not in the same bracket as any of these top tier guys as a bowler.

Consider this: without reference to other skills, would he make your Asian XI? - Not for me.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Across a career -no, but peak v peak, that is at least a match-up.
Dev is not in the same bracket as any of these top tier guys as a bowler.

Consider this: without reference to other skills, would he make your Asian XI? - Not for me.

Neither will Shoaib really

 

[Coronis]

Across a career -no, but peak v peak, that is at least a match-up.
Dev is not in the same bracket as any of these top tier guys as a bowler.

Consider this: without reference to other skills, would he make your Asian XI? - Not for me.

And this is why you never see Waqar being picked in these XIs here - because they’re not being picked based on just peaks, but across their careers. The same is a general rule of thumb for the direct player comparisons here.

When we do pick or compare regarding peaks that’s usually explicitly mentioned

 

[number11]

And this is why you never see Waqar being picked in these XIs here - because they’re not being picked based on just peaks, but across their careers. The same is a general rule of thumb for the direct player comparisons here.

When we do pick or compare regarding peaks that’s usually explicitly mentioned

I think Waqar would make every Asian XI ever selected.

The point raised and answered was that McG v Waqar was at least worthy of discussion just as bowlers - but Dev was not equivalent to Akhtar with only bowling considered.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I think Waqar would make every Asian XI ever selected.

The point raised and answered was that McG v Waqar was at least worthy of discussion just as bowlers - but Dev was not equivalent to Akhtar with only bowling considered.

I believe atleast 90% of posters here will agree that Kapil is much closer to Akhtar than Waqar is to McGrath.

 

[Coronis]

I think Waqar would make every Asian XI ever selected.

The point raised and answered was that McG v Waqar was at least worthy of discussion just as bowlers - but Dev was not equivalent to Akhtar with only bowling considered.

This has nothing to do with the conversation.

No, your point was that you assume players are at their peak and thats why you have Shoaib and Gillespie above Kapil, which, no doubt they were better at their peaks than Kapil.

The rest of us are talking about over their entire careers.

 

[number11]

This has nothing to do with the conversation.

No, your point was that you assume players are at their peak and thats why you have Shoaib and Gillespie above Kapil, which, no doubt they were better at their peaks than Kapil.

The rest of us are talking about over their entire careers.

Actually I believe this particular convo was about Dev being their equal as a bowler which the young lad stated. I objected to that as it's clearly not true. I accepted Dev is the greatest overall cricketer, but that was not his point in that particular post.

 

[Coronis]

Actually I believe this particular convo was about Dev being their equal as a bowler which the young lad stated. I objected to that as it's clearly not true. I accepted Dev is the greatest overall cricketer, but that was not his point in that particular post.

I think these best of x era operate on the assumption that each man is at his best/in his best form.

Dev is the greater cricketer obviously, but Akhtar was a far superior bowler and if both were available at their best - Akhtar would waltz in.

Your words. The rest of us are not talking about peaks here.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Kapil Dev vs Shoaib Akhtar

Two Asian quicks

www.cricketweb.net

For reference, the Shoaib vs Kapil thread

 

[number11]

Your words. The rest of us are not talking about peaks here.

You are jumping half-way though the convo, but let's get back to the issue.

Who is Asia's 6th greatest cricketer means [for me] who is the next most likely Asian cricketer to make an AT XI after the big 5. That is surely the crux of the question.

 

[Coronis]

You are jumping half-way though the convo, but let's get back to the issue.

Who is Asia's 6th greatest cricketer meand [for me] who is the next most likely Asian cricketer to make an AT XI after the big 5. That is surely the crux of the question.

I was responding directly to a point you made lol.