Who is a better young fast bowler Tait or Malinga

[C_C]

I would like to point out that when we are talking 'how fast' , we need to make the distinction between 'fastest ball bowled' and 'average speed' of the bowler...
And in my opinion, the latter is considerably more important than the ability to ratchet up your speed by 6-7mph to touch 95-96mph once every spell.

 

[chaminda_00]

So you could tell from watching? Sorry, but Tait has been clocked as faster than both Bird and Johnson. You watching him bowl and being 'sure' he went past 150km/h isn't enough for anyone.

Anyway, it's moot; I've personally faced bowlers who were clocked at between 140km/h and 148km/h and I couldn't tell the difference; they were all just QUICK.

I do get what your saying mate, but personally i don't a rate bowler by how fast they bowled in a net session, like what you said about Tait

I watched him in the Adelaide Oval nets at 17 get clocked at 144km/h

People bowl faster in the nets then they do in a real game situation. If you can give me proof that in a real game situation that Tait was clocked faster then Bird or Johnson then i will take it as fact. From what i have seen of Tait live his has never bowled faster then what i've seen Bird bowl live, in a match situation. Watching someone in a live in a match situation is more accurate then what speed someone clocks in a net session IMO.

 

[social]

Tait is quicker than Bird, Johnson and Malinga.

A pretty good judge in Michael Holding rated Tait Aus' fastest bowler last year (whilst commentating on an Aus A game) and even claimed that he should be in the Aus test team as young bowlers only had a brief window of extreme pace.

Whilst, the pace potential of both Bird and Johnson has been noted by many they have yet to prove it at any reasonable standard of the game.

Malinga is deceptive because of his action rather than outright pace. Those who watched him in action vs NZ will remember the Kiwis campaigning for the umpires to wear white trousers as his delivery was from approx. waist level.

 

[Top_Cat]

People bowl faster in the nets then they do in a real game situation. If you can give me proof that in a real game situation that Tait was clocked faster then Bird or Johnson then i will take it as fact. From what i have seen of Tait live his has never bowled faster then what i've seen Bird bowl live, in a match situation. Watching someone in a live in a match situation is more accurate then what speed someone clocks in a net session IMO.

Yes of course but like I said, he was 17; that was 4/5 years ago!

From what I've heard around the traps, in a matche, he was clocked at 145km/h+ but I'm pretty sure that was a trial match. Hard to say. Either way, he rushes batsmen who normally look comortable against extreme pace and bowls so many wicket-taking balls, he'd be damn tough to face.

 

[chaminda_00]

Yes of course but like I said, he was 17; that was 4/5 years ago!

From what I've heard around the traps, in a matche, he was clocked at 145km/h+ but I'm pretty sure that was a trial match. Hard to say. Either way, he rushes batsmen who normally look comortable against extreme pace and bowls so many wicket-taking balls, he'd be damn tough to face.

Well the match that i was talking about watching Bird was when he was 18/19 so it that be a factor. Also i have always said that he bowls of 145km/h+, i just doubted he ever got up to 155km/h (Brett Lee pace).

 

[aussie]

Who cares how quick Bird used to bowl? He'll never be as quick when he stops chucking it.

so ur saying Bird chucks it???

 

[King_Ponting]

Yeh thats exatly what hes saying and i tend to agree

 

[chaminda_00]

His right he does chuck it but they are trying to fix it right now. Well actually im not sure if he chucks it under the current rules, but it didn't look right.

 

[Jono]

If I have said it once, I have said it a zillion times

Tendulkar, of course

If you let it go, maybe he will too? You're not really helping SJS

I really haven't seen enough of Malinga, I only watched a bit of him in SL's recent test series. I can't quite remember the opposition, but it may have been NZ.

 

[aussie]

shoot well if their trying to adjust Bird's action that means he'll loose pace..

 

[Richard]

Lawson? Aren't Best and Edwards much quicker than Lawson? Not to mention Harmison etc.

Interestingly on the occasions Lawson has bowled quickly his action has been reported; when he's been talked of as bowling "cleanly" he's been mid-80s.

 

[Richard]

Actually it is doubtful if Ambrose was ever genuinely fast - traditionally defined as 90mph mark.... from what i recall, he was high 80s stuff and exgaggerated bounce always gives the impression of faster bowling to the onlooker.

From what you recall we will never know how fast Ambrose was, because he never got timed in his pomp.
It's quite likely, though, that he was late 80s.

 

[Richard]

i find this very hard to believe...

And we won't know - because there were no speedsters in those days.
Though they were likely bowling at about the same pace.

 

[Richard]

I don't see why it makes no sense. Not every bowler relies on the higher levels of seam movement and swing in English conditions... some prefer the pace and bounce of Australian wickets.

Higher pace and bounce are no use without sideways movement - of course many English wickets are flat and slightly lower than a typical Australian wicket, but either way, bowling is still extremely unfavourable.

 

[Richard]

How bad is Malinga's action? I've read it described as "round-armed" (which doesn't equate to a chuck, obviously). Is it more or less so than Fidel Edwards?

Far, far more so than the old Edwards - I asked the same of David when he first mentioned him in the top-end series in 2004 - Malinga's arm is completely parrallel to the ground on delivery.

 

[Richard]

Jeff Thompson....

Because of course Jeff Thomson a) had an action like Malinga's and b) was successful over a sustained Test-career?
No, he hadn't, and he wasn't.

 

[Richard]

Fidel Edwards's action is pretty much a mini-me Thomson, so if you've seen Edwards there's a good marker for you.

Edwards' old action was the perfect combination of Lillee and Thomson.