GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
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Who are the neutrals supporting in the final?
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Flem274*
123/5
Yes it does.
The English football team might have the most unflattering noise to results ratio on the planet.
In Oceania when our third or fourth choice athletes embarrass someone at a football world cup, they are briefly applauded before our attention turns elsewhere.
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
You have no idea what you are talking about. The footballers get absolutely pelted often. The current side generally doesn’t because it’s actually a good one. But either way we absolutely don’t celebrate getting out of the group stage. The minimum expectation is last 8 and plenty consider that performance at last year’s WC to be a failure (I don’t fully agree, as we were beaten by a good France side, but do think we should probably have had enough to go further).
Stick to topics you understand. The direct point you were trying to be clever on talked about getting out of the group stage and we do not celebrate that as a monumental achievement.
The England football manager is one of the most difficult coaching jobs in sport.
Past managers have been not just criticised but mocked and ridiculed in the media.
Even our most successful manager, Sir Alf, was hounded out in near disgrace after we failed to qualify in 1974. We lost out to Poland who went on to finish 3rd.
Managers like Taylor - immortalised as a turnip in the press, and McClaren, the wally with the brolly, never recovered.
Its a brutal job to take.
Owzat
U19 Captain
unless aussies rattle Indian cages, BCCI, players and fans, is set to be a dull event. Only way I'd raise much enthusiasm as a neutral for the final is if India weren't innit, it just feels like it was given to India as hosts (three times it will be thus hosted in a mere 20 years of which there are only FIVE events) to keep them happy
put it this way, after 45 group games and two semis there's barely been many exciting games and the whole (non) event feels like it has just been played out to an inevitable conclusion, the only thing might make it tangibly worthwhile is an unexpected result
EDIT : and no I didn't bother voting, most polls are so boring and as if it makes any difference
Owzat
U19 Captain
tournaments weren't always easy to qualify for, and didn't always have 30+ teams. has been some improvement in overall standards, the Germans were good sides though
even reaching the Euros in say 1988 (England) and 1992 (England/Scotland) was no mean feat, some bang on about what current manager Wastecoat does, reached this, "best since" blah blah, but bottom line is you have to be poor not to qualify for tournaments (England) and getting further with all the resources available, soft routes to final, home advantage (all but one game in Euros) what England did was pretty weak, a failure not a success
Germans may have won some cups due to lacking opposition but not many, India win another here and may be as hollow a victory as there is, as loaded a tournament as you can get
Sunil1z
International Regular
5 of 10 teams in this WC are from Asia . So logically Asia should hold every 2nd WC .
Hope you don’t believe that Asia should hold 1 WC and then every SENA country should individually hold WC
Flem274*
123/5
tbf he's irate India get 3 in 20 years, which is fair.
if cricket ever felt like being equitable (lol) the tournament would rotate between india, pakistan (if possible), bangers and SL (each might need a co-host), windies (rip), england, SA, and aus/nz. that's one for everyone every 28 years or so.
Sunil1z
International Regular
Why you think WC is the only ICC tournament?
What you are saying is already happening.
See:
WI will hold ICC tournament in 24
PAK will ICC tournament in 25
IND-SL are holding ICC tournament in 26
SA are holding ICC tournament in 27
AUS-NZ are holding ICC tournament in 28
IND-BAN are holding ICC tournament in 31
IND is getting ICC tournaments because it is financially more lucrative.
Also ENG are hosting WTC finals in 25 again .
Burgey
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No wonder it’s been a snooze fest
Sunil1z
International Regular
Afghans were certainly snooze fest in this WC particular against your side , England and Pakistan .
Flem274*
123/5
He was talking about the 50 over world cup. Stop shifting the goalposts. Not everything is an attack on the glory of India.
And I agree, England locking down the WTC final for themselves is pretty dumb.
Also as an aside, the fact there's some sort of white ball ICC tournament every year is exhausting. It's saturation. The only important white ball tournament is the World Cup. The Champions Trophy is fun but there's no prestige in being the WT20 champions for 18 months.
Burgey
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They’re just making up the numbers though. And tbh shouldn’t be there as the propaganda arm of the Taliban. Bangladesh and SL also woeful outfits. May as well have Nepal there.
It’s like when people say how rugby’s a “world sport” and use evidence like Canada, Georgia or Romania getting a game at a WC (or australia in recent times). It’s a joke. Bring your own rent-a-team to make up numbers when the real contest comes down to at most half a dozen sides.
Owzat
U19 Captain
to be fair McClown shouldn't have been appointed, or "King Kev", Hodgson and others, plenty of those before and after. Turnip hid behind the availability of She-Ra, or lack of, and Gazza's fitness, or lack of, there were plenty of decent footballers around and whilst The Sun Always Shines On TV (El Tel) had both in 1996 after England bombed out bigtime in 1994 - couldn't beat Norway at Wembley, basically was the result set the mould, or if you prefer blowing a 2-0 lead after 23 minutes at Wembley against Holland, a win in either and through or almost certainly
wouldn't take too much the press come out with seriously, especially as they are out to sell papers and influence weak minds (don't read them Burgey, just don't!)
but goes back to my previous post, find it funny this thread descended to being about football but better than a love in for India, or hate in, qualifying before the 90s and 00s was much tougher and why the last two instances, and poorest appointmentsof England not even making the finals all happened in the past 40 years with poor selections
England 1980-2024 qualifying (# of final spots in brackets)
Did Not Qualify (3) : Euro 1984 (8), WC 1994 (24), Euro 2008 (16)
Group Stage (5) : Euro 1980 (8), Euro 1988 (8), Euro 1992 (8), Euro 2000 (16), WC 2014 (32)
Last 16* (3) : WC 1998 (32), WC 2010 (16), Euro 2016 (16)
Last 12/2nd Group Stage** (1) : WC 1982 (24)
Quarter-Finals (6) : WC 1986 (24), WC 2002 (32), Euro 2004 (16), WC 2006 (32), Euro 2012 (16), WC 2022 (32)
Semi-Finals (3) : WC 1990 (24), Euro 1996 (16, hosts), WC 2018 (32)
Runners-Up (1) : Euro 2020 (24, hosts)
*knockout as opposed to eg group stage when 16 teams participate
**played two group stages, 6 groups of 4 then 4 groups of 3 with winners of 2nd group stage playing semis, England topped 1st group stage group then drew both 2nd group stage games to finish 2nd so ended unbeaten
England have hosted twice, lost in semis in 1996 on penalties to a very solid German side, softer route to final in 2020. Soft route to semis in 2022, all helped of course with more spots at finals. Consider the days of 8 teams at Euros finals being the QF as a starting point.
Sunil1z
International Regular
From 1998-2023 there has been 25 ICC tournaments
7 ODI WC
WTC 2
WT20 8
CT 8
It is 1 every year
Flem274*
123/5
Sure, and I remember like the ODI World Cups and the WTC finals but that's about it barring a few cool CT and WT20 moments.
Sunil1z
International Regular
Problem with WT20 is that it is highly toss dependent . All the knockouts in WT16 ,WT21 and WT22 were won by chasing side.
9 out of 9 .