Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
On what basis is it more likely? No team has ever got anywhere near 500 in the 4th Innings of a conventional Test Match (excluding one timeless Test) under any circumstances, never mind to win
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Which team will chase down 500 in Tests?
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Athlai
Not Terrible
Few times in recent memory teams have gotten the ball rolling towards a victory though.
vic_orthdox
Global Moderator
Didn't SL make 9/532 recently in the fourth innings of a Test vs England to draw it? How many were they actually chasing?
neobuxadmin
Cricket Spectator
I believe its Australia who can achieve this task, i dont see any other team who can do this.
Athlai
Not Terrible
The 4th Innings
NZ vs. Eng 2002 Christchurch
England set NZ 550 to win.
Nathan Astle scores 222 but NZ are ao for 451.
50 shy of 500 and 100 shy of the target.
NZ vs Eng 2008 Napier
England set NZ 553 to win.
Southee slogs 77 from 40 but NZ are ao for 431.
70 shy of 500 and 120 shy of the target.
WI vs. Aus 2003 St John's
Australia set a score of 418 to win to the West Indies. Which they overhaul.
82 short of 500 but with 3 wickets in hand.
Aus vs. SA 2008 Perth
Australia set SA 414 to win which they achieve.
86 short of 500 but with a massive 6 wickets in hand.
Bangers vs. SL 2008 Dhaka
Sri Lanka confidently set the minnows 521 to win before Ashraful and Shakib put together almost 200 runs. They score 413.
87 short of 500 and 108 from the total.
Sri Lanka vs. Australia 2007 Hobart
Australia set 507 to win against SL.
Sangakkara plays the innings of a lifetime and in the end is given out wrongly, the Sri Lanka middle order also does bugger all. They score 410. 90 short of the 500 and 97 from their total.
England vs. Australia 2009 Lords
Well this one should be stuck into recent memory. Aus scored 406 chasing 522.
That makes 7 400+ scores in the 4th innings of the match in the 2000's now how many have occurred in the 90's? Zero. 80's? Once (Eng vs. Aus Manchester 81, hit 402 Border scored 123 chasing 506)
It seems as if it is getting easier to score in the 4th innings rather than harder. 500 is not the unattainable total it once was and now seems like it is only a matter of time.
NZ vs. Eng 2002 Christchurch
England set NZ 550 to win.
Nathan Astle scores 222 but NZ are ao for 451.
50 shy of 500 and 100 shy of the target.
NZ vs Eng 2008 Napier
England set NZ 553 to win.
Southee slogs 77 from 40 but NZ are ao for 431.
70 shy of 500 and 120 shy of the target.
WI vs. Aus 2003 St John's
Australia set a score of 418 to win to the West Indies. Which they overhaul.
82 short of 500 but with 3 wickets in hand.
Aus vs. SA 2008 Perth
Australia set SA 414 to win which they achieve.
86 short of 500 but with a massive 6 wickets in hand.
Bangers vs. SL 2008 Dhaka
Sri Lanka confidently set the minnows 521 to win before Ashraful and Shakib put together almost 200 runs. They score 413.
87 short of 500 and 108 from the total.
Sri Lanka vs. Australia 2007 Hobart
Australia set 507 to win against SL.
Sangakkara plays the innings of a lifetime and in the end is given out wrongly, the Sri Lanka middle order also does bugger all. They score 410. 90 short of the 500 and 97 from their total.
England vs. Australia 2009 Lords
Well this one should be stuck into recent memory. Aus scored 406 chasing 522.
That makes 7 400+ scores in the 4th innings of the match in the 2000's now how many have occurred in the 90's? Zero. 80's? Once (Eng vs. Aus Manchester 81, hit 402 Border scored 123 chasing 506)
It seems as if it is getting easier to score in the 4th innings rather than harder. 500 is not the unattainable total it once was and now seems like it is only a matter of time.
Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
Very convenient use of history there, but ignoring the fact that there were 5 in the 70's.
Athlai
Not Terrible
5 in a whole decade in the 70's? Oddly enough that is how many there have been in the past 3 years.
Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
3 whole years eh? Well proves it must a trend.
Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
5 in the 70's, none in the 80's.If it continues into the next decade then there might be a case for calling it anything other than a quirk of circumstances.
Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
Oh dear. Put old uppercut resorting to snide remarks. Doesn't suit you mate.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
England also dropped about 15 catches over the course of SL's two innings' that Test. You'd not imagine that will be happening very often - and in fact it doesn't.
grecian
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Look, I probably don't think they'll do it. Yet if LT doesn't see that pitches don't deteriorate in the way they use too, then I despair just a little. There are stats to back it up, but I am not a massive fan of those. The ridiculous amount of uneven bounce seamers used to get that made some pretty average performers look like world-beaters at times. Now our average bowlers don't get this advantage, so they can't boost their figures.
The fact that the third day, in this match, seemed to be the best batting day so far, doesn't go against this either.
I do think this will be done soon, just pray to god it's not in the next two days.
The fact that the third day, in this match, seemed to be the best batting day so far, doesn't go against this either.
I do think this will be done soon, just pray to god it's not in the next two days.
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Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
This pitch doesn't need to deteriorate a jot. I dispair that anyone genuinely thinks that Australia have got a cat in hells chance. It's not the slightest bit unusual for day 3 to offer the best batting conditions.Look, I probably don't think they'll do it. Yet if LT doesn't see that pitches don't deteriorate in the way they use too, then I despair just a little. There are stats to back it up, but I am not a massive fan of those. The ridiculous amount of uneven bounce seamers used to get that made some pretty average performers look like world-beaters at times. Now our average bowlers don't get this advantage, so they can't boost their figures.
The fact that the third day, in this match, seemed to be the best batting day so far, doesn't go against this either.
I do think this will be done soon, just pray to god it's not in the next two days.
grecian
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I can see your tetchy, probably the footy results
Nah, this post was more about the general argument in the rest of this thread, which I was just reading for possibly the first time admittedly it is a digged thread. The current pitch line was more an aside.
Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
Footy results?I can see your tetchy, probably the footy results
Nah, this post was more about the general argument in the rest of this thread, which I was just reading for possibly the first time admittedly it is a digged thread. The current pitch line was more an aside.
Oh I see. You were refering to comments in this thread. There are many reasons why higher fourth innings scores are more common. Flatter pitches is one, and the fact that there are three times as many Test Matches being played is another - law of probability and all that.
