Let us clarify
@kyear2 and his shtick.
He has an irrational irritation for Imran and can't stand his name in an ATG XI.
He argued that including him is weakening the bowling.
Given that most don't find that argument compelling, he tried a different track, which is to discredit all lower order batting altogether to make Imran the bat less attractive.
He does this by hyping up slip catching as a secondary skill more worthy than lower order runs, in fact even coming up with obscure equations of slip catches for runs, and suggests that a lower order bat in a great team has no role in success, whereas without elite slip catchers they don't deserve to be called a great team.
It's all desperate tactics.
I see you're back to the royal we.
And dude, despite what has been a tightly competitive category, your worst post yet.
The excise for not responding to my "thesis" is because it too long.
Then you couldn't respond to a very simple and more importantly short question, so you try to shift the argument to say that it's a red herring.
Your issue is that you can never even admit that someone has a better point so you move the goal posts and make accusations.
Now we're back to I hate Imran. I'm also not trying to discredit lower order batting, I'm saying it not as important to me as it is for you. And that could be a good faith argument even here on the forum, but you consistently try to poison the well by making it personal.
Re people not finding the argument compelling, that wasn't my goal, and btw the last poll we did, only 35% of those polled included Imran in what would be the best attack. And as Coronis recently corrected you, Imran doesn't easily make most members ATG teams and it's generally a split for the 3rd spot between him, Steyn and Hadlee.
The last sentence is bordering on incoherent. I asked a simple question which you couldn't answer. Period.
I didn't say a lower order bat has no role in success, I've said historically speaking, it not a role that has moved the needle, and it hasn't. I also didn't say that a team can't be great without a great cordon, I said none of the great ones lacked them. And that clearly they were critical to their success.
Everything that I said was try and that entire last sentence was at best disingenuous.
You've lost the argument and throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks.
I'm also not saying that slip fielding is way more important than lower order batting, but it's at the very least in equal footing and depending on the team in question, it can be more impactful. That's not make belief, again, look at the two best teams ever, and even the referenced SA that was also arguably a top 5 team ever. Of you're relying heavily on your lower order you have bigger issues and not that strong a team (we can argue that fact too if you like).
This has nothing to do with Imran and started over an argument about Keith Miller. But the problem is, as I've repeatedly said, you argue based purely on personalities (exact reason for you Kallis, Steyn, Lara and Ambrose campaigns), and as a result you can't possibly concede that slip fielding is important or can even be seen as secondary.
I've conceded arguments to you before, you find it incapable to do the same.