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Which is more likely to regress to minnow status?

Which is more likely to regress to minnow status?

  • Sri Lanka

    Votes: 4 16.7%
  • West Indies

    Votes: 8 33.3%
  • Neither

    Votes: 6 25.0%
  • Both

    Votes: 2 8.3%
  • AN Other (South Africa? Pakistan? Please specify)

    Votes: 4 16.7%

  • Total voters
    24
  • Poll closed .

Beamer

International Vice-Captain
So I would say we are a risk, more due to finances than anything. Hosting cricket in the Caribbean is the most expensive in the world by far (not me saying that, it's our CEO Johnny Graves) as it requires flights to multiple different countries, hotels etc. It is so expensive that we can't even afford home and away domestic tournaments and have to host them in one or two islands.

Ever since the ICC changed to a financing model where away teams recieve barely any money for touring (which we voted against), we have been financially hamstrung and whenever we host anyone who is not England or India we lose huge amounts of money. Absolutely nothing has been done by the ICC to remedy this as the big 3 get richer and we struggle more and more. We literally had to wait for a year in which both India and England toured to have enough money to set up our new academy. How on earth are we supposed to compete when the playing field is nowhere near level?

Match this with the proliferation of T20 leagues and our selectors incredible lack of flexibility and we never even get to select our most talented players. Given how small our talent pool is, losing the top 20% of talent from red ball cricket is massively detrimental for us, it's miraculous that we still win as many tests as we do tbh.

The current administration have put a lot of things in place like an academy, a big training programme for local coaches etc but you have to remember that different islands feed into our system and some of the territorial boards, like the Jamaica Cricket Association, are asleep at the wheel with very little money to work with even if they were capable.

Unless the ICC levels up the financial playing field we won't be truly competitive in the long term, that's the unfortunate truth. They need to decide if they want a diverse selection of international teams or if Australia, England and India are just happy to play themselves and collect all the $$$$.
 

Slifer

International Captain
So I would say we are a risk, more due to finances than anything. Hosting cricket in the Caribbean is the most expensive in the world by far (not me saying that, it's our CEO Johnny Graves) as it requires flights to multiple different countries, hotels etc. It is so expensive that we can't even afford home and away domestic tournaments and have to host them in one or two islands.

Ever since the ICC changed to a financing model where away teams recieve barely any money for touring (which we voted against), we have been financially hamstrung and whenever we host anyone who is not England or India we lose huge amounts of money. Absolutely nothing has been done by the ICC to remedy this as the big 3 get richer and we struggle more and more. We literally had to wait for a year in which both India and England toured to have enough money to set up our new academy. How on earth are we supposed to compete when the playing field is nowhere near level?

Match this with the proliferation of T20 leagues and our selectors incredible lack of flexibility and we never even get to select our most talented players. Given how small our talent pool is, losing the top 20% of talent from red ball cricket is massively detrimental for us, it's miraculous that we still win as many tests as we do tbh.

The current administration have put a lot of things in place like an academy, a big training programme for local coaches etc but you have to remember that different islands feed into our system and some of the territorial boards, like the Jamaica Cricket Association, are asleep at the wheel with very little money to work with even if they were capable.

Unless the ICC levels up the financial playing field we won't be truly competitive in the long term, that's the unfortunate truth. They need to decide if they want a diverse selection of international teams or if Australia, England and India are just happy to play themselves and collect all the $$$$.
On a somewhat positive note (specifically for you Beamer) the Leeward Islands are going to restart their 3 day tournament after a 10 year hiatus. To others on here, that might not be a big deal but for me it is. This is the competition that produced the likes of : Viv, Curtly, Andy, Richie, Keith Arthurton etc.
 

Beamer

International Vice-Captain
On a somewhat positive note (specifically for you Beamer) the Leeward Islands are going to restart their 3 day tournament after a 10 year hiatus. To others on here, that might not be a big deal but for me it is. This is the competition that produced the likes of : Viv, Curtly, Andy, Richie, Keith Arthurton etc.
That's huge news for Leewards youngsters. They will get to improve their red ball game outside of the 4 day season. It will also expand the Leewards talent pool.
 
I still think that our players are the most talented in the region…and we live, eat, and sleep cricket.

That’s the reason we won 5 FC championships in a row (along with the help of a Bajan:Raymon Reifer) recently.

It is evident in Windies’s two latest test cricketers, Motie and Tage.
 

Beamer

International Vice-Captain
I still think that our players are the most talented in the region…and we live, eat, and sleep cricket.

That’s the reason we won 5 FC championships in a row (along with the help of a Bajan:Raymon Reifer) recently.

It is evident in Windies’s two latest test cricketers, Motie and Tage.
Nandu coming as well. Need Isaiah Thorne and his express pace to step up next!
 

chris.hinton

International Captain
I was just thinking and waxing nostalgic to a time when there were 8, roughly equally competitive nations in both Test and ODI cricket. It was a time that lasted for a very brief window, but looking back it was something of a nirvana.

In contrast now, it feels like an increasingly stratified International cricket landscape, with haves and have nots growing increasingly further apart. In that context I ask, are either of Sri Lanka or the West Indies going to regress to minnow status, and if so which one?

Australia
 

Slifer

International Captain

Flem274*

123/5
So I would say we are a risk, more due to finances than anything. Hosting cricket in the Caribbean is the most expensive in the world by far (not me saying that, it's our CEO Johnny Graves) as it requires flights to multiple different countries, hotels etc. It is so expensive that we can't even afford home and away domestic tournaments and have to host them in one or two islands.

Ever since the ICC changed to a financing model where away teams recieve barely any money for touring (which we voted against), we have been financially hamstrung and whenever we host anyone who is not England or India we lose huge amounts of money. Absolutely nothing has been done by the ICC to remedy this as the big 3 get richer and we struggle more and more. We literally had to wait for a year in which both India and England toured to have enough money to set up our new academy. How on earth are we supposed to compete when the playing field is nowhere near level?

Match this with the proliferation of T20 leagues and our selectors incredible lack of flexibility and we never even get to select our most talented players. Given how small our talent pool is, losing the top 20% of talent from red ball cricket is massively detrimental for us, it's miraculous that we still win as many tests as we do tbh.

The current administration have put a lot of things in place like an academy, a big training programme for local coaches etc but you have to remember that different islands feed into our system and some of the territorial boards, like the Jamaica Cricket Association, are asleep at the wheel with very little money to work with even if they were capable.

Unless the ICC levels up the financial playing field we won't be truly competitive in the long term, that's the unfortunate truth. They need to decide if they want a diverse selection of international teams or if Australia, England and India are just happy to play themselves and collect all the $$$$.
great post.

cricket seems to have decided it would rather be entertainment for three markets than a global sport to be respected. it doesn't help that the most vanilla grey bores of the smaller boards are determined to try be a tick on the arse of the big 3 (david white).

long term they will probably eat each other too with England going first due to already being a bit exclusive within the country, Australia losing players to winter codes and rising sports and then I guess India just plays with its own dick forever watching 2 minute six clips after that.
 

_00_deathscar

International Regular
Thesedays SL actually don't even stand a chance of 'coming close' in a test in India, forget about winning it.
They had us rocking in both tests until Shreyas, Pant and Jadeja turned up.

Then again club teams would have this Indian top order rocking at 100/4 or something.
 

_00_deathscar

International Regular
General state of test cricket today is poorer, let us be honest compared to the nineties and 2000s. Things are competitive but the relative quality of mid-tier teams has dropped.

The only strong teams are India, England and Aust. SA is in rebuilding phase. NZ have slipped from their previously better standards. WI, Pak and SL are weak even by mid-tier standards.

Generally, there was always 2-3 standout teams at any point but the mid-tier teams were normally fairly strong at home and had 2-3 worldclass players to make things interesting.
What does “today” mean because 18 months ago NZ had their best ever team, and England were utter trash.
 

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