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Better than Kapil Dev and the best Indian pace bowler I have seen. Lets wait to see the end of his career though before comparing him the Pakistan trio.
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Where do you rate Jasprit Bumrah among Asian fast bowlers (Tests)?
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Daemon
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I think being so good at LO cricket will hurt him in the long run, as will Kohli overbowling him.
What he does have in his favour (in terms of longevity) is that he can be a spectator when we play at home as long as other countries don't learn how to play straightbreaks.
What he does have in his favour (in terms of longevity) is that he can be a spectator when we play at home as long as other countries don't learn how to play straightbreaks.
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People have a completely ahistorical perspective on Kapil and think he was some above average trier for all his career while Bumrah is a class apart simply by default. The incredible feats Kapil performed before the age of 25 are often forgotten.
Kapil from 1978 to 1980, the age of 21 had 106 wickets in 26 tests @ 26.7 and 1033 runs @ 33.3.
Even the above is due to the fact that he had a bad debut year (1978) in test cricket at the age of 18 where he averaged 56.
Kapil in his first full year in test cricket in 1979 at the age of 19 led the international wicket taking charts in tests by a massive margin. He took 74 wickets @ 22.9 and scored 609 runs @ 30.9 in 17 tests. In 1979 and 1980, he had 90 wickets in 20 tests @ 22.7.
In the subsequent year, in the Indian tour of Australia in 80/81, Australia were leading 1-0 and had to chase 143 to win in the third and final test in Melbourne. Kapil took 5-28 to bowl Australia out in the 4th innings for 83 for a historic win to seal a very unlikely series draw.
Kapil Dev had 75 wickets in an incredible 18 tests in 1983 @ 23.18 bowling as the sole test level bowler in his side for most of the time with only batting AR Ravi Shastri as his support. The second highest amount of wickets that year was 54 by Marshall. 11 of those 18 tests were against the ATG WI side against whom he took 46 wickets @ 20.89. The remaining 6 tests were against Pakistan which was the second best side at the time. He also scored 579 runs @ 22.26 to add to the above including a 100* out of 95 balls against a bowling attack of Marshall, Holding, Roberts and Garner at Port of Spain.
That is not even the most remembered part of his year as he also led India to an impossible world cup victory in 1983 scoring 303 runs @ 60.06 with a SR of 108.99 and taking 12 wickets @ 20.41 over 8 games.
The below puts into context the bowling attack Kapil was working with in 1983:
Kapil from 1978 to 1980, the age of 21 had 106 wickets in 26 tests @ 26.7 and 1033 runs @ 33.3.
Even the above is due to the fact that he had a bad debut year (1978) in test cricket at the age of 18 where he averaged 56.
Kapil in his first full year in test cricket in 1979 at the age of 19 led the international wicket taking charts in tests by a massive margin. He took 74 wickets @ 22.9 and scored 609 runs @ 30.9 in 17 tests. In 1979 and 1980, he had 90 wickets in 20 tests @ 22.7.
In the subsequent year, in the Indian tour of Australia in 80/81, Australia were leading 1-0 and had to chase 143 to win in the third and final test in Melbourne. Kapil took 5-28 to bowl Australia out in the 4th innings for 83 for a historic win to seal a very unlikely series draw.
Kapil Dev had 75 wickets in an incredible 18 tests in 1983 @ 23.18 bowling as the sole test level bowler in his side for most of the time with only batting AR Ravi Shastri as his support. The second highest amount of wickets that year was 54 by Marshall. 11 of those 18 tests were against the ATG WI side against whom he took 46 wickets @ 20.89. The remaining 6 tests were against Pakistan which was the second best side at the time. He also scored 579 runs @ 22.26 to add to the above including a 100* out of 95 balls against a bowling attack of Marshall, Holding, Roberts and Garner at Port of Spain.
That is not even the most remembered part of his year as he also led India to an impossible world cup victory in 1983 scoring 303 runs @ 60.06 with a SR of 108.99 and taking 12 wickets @ 20.41 over 8 games.
The below puts into context the bowling attack Kapil was working with in 1983:
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OverratedSanity
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Holy ****
Probably an even higher level of carrying than 2021 Joe root.Arachnodouche
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I wonder how Bumrah will bowl after age 33 if he lasts that long. You have to imagine that windmill will slow down a fair bit as the body ages. Will he be a dibbly-dobbler with a weirdo action?
honestbharani
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Bring in a Dev-ometer...Holy ****
AndyZaltzHair
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Cant rate him above Kapil yet so there’s no question against the pakistan trio
silentstriker
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It's difficult to judge Kapil purely on bowling stats because there was literally no one at the other end while Bumrah has had much better bowling partners. And much better is a vast understatement. I mean if you saw off a kapil dev over, you had madan lal at the other end. That certainly makes a huge difference. Very telling post from Teja there which underlines the point.
My all time India XI would have a pace bowling attack of Kapil Dev, Bumrah, and Amar Singh. And it says more about the history of Indian pace bowling that a guy with 22 Test matches walks into the side and the third guy has 7 Test matches that he played in the 20s/30s. Really it's only been Dev that's a shoe in. Zaheer Khan you can argue about, but he wouldn't get close to most other sides all time XIs.
My all time India XI would have a pace bowling attack of Kapil Dev, Bumrah, and Amar Singh. And it says more about the history of Indian pace bowling that a guy with 22 Test matches walks into the side and the third guy has 7 Test matches that he played in the 20s/30s. Really it's only been Dev that's a shoe in. Zaheer Khan you can argue about, but he wouldn't get close to most other sides all time XIs.
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Pap Finn Keighl
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Kapil Dev = James Anderson ( + Batting)
Gob
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Rubbish Binny...not a lot ****ing good he was getting lbw to peter taylor
That's nothing. Prior to that they had an attack of Rusi Surti and Abid Ali. Their job was to take the shine of the ball. If they got wickets, it was bonus. They did have to score some runs to accumulatively justify their selection - all 4 averaged over 20 in Tests. Making their categorization a difficult task, were they bowlers or AR or bits-and-pieces or what ?
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playing the long game, now their bowlers will be rested
CodeOfWisden
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As of now he is behind the Pakistani trio but I definitely think he will retire as a better bowler than Waqar for sure.
Ymaxxx
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overrated asf, siraj will have a better career. Bumrah will forever be known as choker, no baller and "vro he applies pressure from his end to allow siraj to get the wicket vro"
as for comparision to Pakistani greats. This is just a laughable jerk reaction thread, let him play 90 tests first like Waqar.
as for comparision to Pakistani greats. This is just a laughable jerk reaction thread, let him play 90 tests first like Waqar.
Ymaxxx
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Kapil Dev has literal bowling averages comparable to Chris Cairns and Abdul Razzaq. This is the type of bowler he was.