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What would be a peer rating ranking?

Brook's side

Brook's side

International Regular
If it's on reputation, then I don't think Marshall was rated far and above the other WI quicks during much of his career. It was only after his career, or towards the end of it that people really started to accept how special he was. Maybe Holding and Garner had higher reputations.

Hadlee was (rightly) revered throughout his career.
 
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PlayerComparisons

International Vice-Captain
ATGs with high peer rating

Bowlers: Marshall, McGrath, Hadlee, Ambrose, Steyn, Lillee, Trueman, Akram, Warne, Murali

Batsmen: Bradman, Tendulkar, Sobers, Hobbs, Viv, Lara, Smith, Hutton, Hammond, Gavaskar, Chappell, Ponting, Kohli

Allrounders: Imran, Miller, Botham, Gilchrist, Kallis
 
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peterhrt

U19 Vice-Captain
With reputation in their own time, Grace was ahead of Bradman who was quite often talked down by contemporaries, sometimes unfairly.

Virtually nobody talked Grace down. When Shrewsbury surpassed him, the press were careful to describe Shrewsbury as the best professional batsman. Grace was technically an amateur despite making enormous amounts of money out of the game. When another amateur Ranji threatened to steal the limelight the response was along the lines of - let's wait till the new boy scores a hundred hundreds and a thousand runs before the end of May.

Approaching his 51st birthday, Grace had literally to drop himself from the England side as nobody else dared do so.
 
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peterhrt

U19 Vice-Captain
Brook's side said:
If it's on reputation, then I don't think Marshall was rated far and above the other WI quicks during much of his career. It was only after his career, or towards the end of it that people really started to accept how special he was. Maybe Holding and Garner had higher reputations.

Hadlee was (rightly) revered throughout his career.
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I think there is some truth in this. Hadlee and Marshall were neck and neck reputation-wise through the second half of the 1980s. Holding had been regarded as the leader of the West Indies pack ("The Rolls Royce of Fast Bowlers"), succeeding Roberts.
 
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kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
Brook's side said:
If it's on reputation, then I don't think Marshall was rated far and above the other WI quicks during much of his career. It was only after his career, or towards the end of it that people really started to accept how special he was. Maybe Holding and Garner had higher reputations.

Hadlee was (rightly) revered throughout his career.
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From '83 / '84 he was well rated above the rest, anyone really. But ok....
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
My list:

1. Sobers - pretty much universal agreement as the best cricketer since Bradman, his name brooks no further discussion on his greatness, reputation as the 'he could do anything's

2. Sachin - From early career, drew comparisons with Bradman, and by the end was seen as the complete bat. He became the bat to measure all other batsmen with.

3. Warne - Insane hype during his career start, firmly seen as the greatest spinner ever, often called the best bowler ever, prematurely put in Wisden Top Five by 2000.

4. Viv - Exploded on the scene like a force like no other, his charisma and batting style put him ahead of all his competitors, there is no discussion over who is the best bat of his era.

5. Hobbs - England's best bat, nothing has dampened that reputation, has become legendary status.

6. Lillee - The archetypical fast bowler, seen as the gold standard for all, similar to Viv, his charisma made him the exemplar.

7. Imran Khan - More as an allrounder cricket figure and captain, his leadership and flair gave him mythical status and put him ahead of ARs of his era.

8. Lara - Always seen as flawed but something special. Synonymous with genius.

9. Wasim - The left arm angle, and his repertoire of skills gave him an exclusive rep

10. Gilly - Just the ATG instant selection for wicket keepers, seen to have redefined the role.

11. Barry Richards/Pollock - Hard to separate but both have become legends based on peer and pundit rating.

12. Marshall - Not as celebrated but very high post career ratings, more as first among equals

13. Hammond - Very high peer rating even though a bit diminished over time

14. Kallis - Career end and post career higher ratings as an AR and his rep keeps getting higher.

15 Botham - 81 immortalized his reputation forever.
 
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Brook's side

Brook's side

International Regular
I'm surprised that Sobers hasn't featured more. Good to see Botham on there.

The following might be considered contenders for a 70s onwards list:

Opening bats:
Gavaskar
Greenidge
Hayden
Boycott
G Smith

Middle order:
Tendulkar (contrary to everything I’ve said)
Dravid
Javed Miandad
Inzamam
Sangakkara
G Chappell
Ponting
S Smith
Kallis
IVA Richards
BC Lara
Pietersen

All rounders:
Botham
Stokes
Imran

Keeper/Wicketkeeper Batsman:
Taylor
Knott
Gilchrist
Flower

Spin bowlers:
Warne
Underwood
Bedi
Kumble

Fast and Fast medium bowlers:
Holding
Roberts
Daniel
Marshall
Ambrose
Steyn
Hadlee
Bond
McGrath
Waqar
Wasim

Fielders:
Rhodes
Randall
Penney
Fairbrother

And at first class level Graeme Hick (and Mark Ramprakash, maybe Darren Lehmann?).

Am surprised Steyn hasn't been mentioned before.

Difficult though to see how this list is significantly distinguished from a list of the greatest players.
 
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kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
subshakerz said:
My list:

1. Sobers - pretty much universal agreement as the best cricketer since Bradman, his name brooks no further discussion on his greatness, reputation as the 'he could do anything's

2. Sachin - From early career, drew comparisons with Bradman, and by the end was seen as the complete bat. He became the bat to measure all other batsmen with.

3. Warne - Insane hype during his career start, firmly seen as the greatest spinner ever, often called the best bowler ever, prematurely put in Wisden Top Five by 2000.

4. Viv - Exploded on the scene like a force like no other, his charisma and batting style put him ahead of all his competitors, there is no discussion over who is the best bat of his era.

5. Hobbs - England's best bat, nothing has dampened that reputation, has become legendary status.

6. Lillee - The archetypical fast bowler, seen as the gold standard for all, similar to Viv, his charisma made him the exemplar.

7. Imran Khan - More as an allrounder cricket figure and captain, his leadership and flair gave him mythical status and put him ahead of ARs of his era.

8. Lara - Always seen as flawed but something special. Synonymous with genius.

9. Wasim - The left arm angle, and his repertoire of skills gave him an exclusive rep

10. Gilly - Just the ATG instant selection for wicket keepers, seen to have redefined the role.

11. Barry Richards/Pollock - Hard to separate but both have become legends based on peer and pundit rating.

12. Marshall - Not as celebrated but very high post career ratings, more as first among equals

13. Hammond - Very high peer rating even though a bit diminished over time

14. Kallis - Career end and post career higher ratings as an AR and his rep keeps getting higher.

15 Botham - 81 immortalized his reputation forever.
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This is so very inaccurate
 
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