What makes a good #7 in ODIs?

[Migara]

Kapil is definitely a better #7 than Imran for ODIs.

Tend to agree with this. Then Imran probably is the best #8 for ODIs too. However Pollock and Hadlee have claims there.

If you consider #7, I don't think Kapil is the best player to play #7. He has competition from likes of Klusener or Afridi.

 

[Shri]

Someone with good hitting ability who can reliably bowl 7-8 overs.

every time an asian time finds a great big hitter at 7 who can be consistent they promote him up the order and ruin what made him good

 

[subshakerz]

Kapil is definitely a better #7 than Imran for ODIs.

Depends totally on the lineup. A weaker batting lineup or a weak tail would need someone more solid like Imran than a hitter like Kapil.

Overall though, Imran is a better allrounder for me.

 

[subshakerz]

Tend to agree with this. Then Imran probably is the best #8 for ODIs too. However Pollock and Hadlee have claims there.

If you consider #7, I don't think Kapil is the best player to play #7. He has competition from likes of Klusener or Afridi.

Imran is a better quality bat than Kapil, just slower but more solid, so no.8 doesn't make sense.

 

[Migara]

every time an asian time finds a great big hitter at 7 who can be consistent they promote him up the order and ruin what made him good

We didn't have the problem though. Thissara Perera was crap.

 

[Jayro]

Bevan, Klusener, Kapil, Jadeja, Harris, Dhoni,.

 

[Socerer 01]

Bevan at 7 is a crime against humanity. he is too good to bat there

 

[Flem274*]

Yeah the normal ODI team, even WC winners, aren't going to have an ATG batsman like Hussey or Bevan at #7.

Generally your allrounder or keeper bat there and they're either a strike feeder or they boof it. To get a good one, I'd take note of guys who bat top 4 in domestic one dayers at least sometimes. At some point they're going to rescue a collapse and can always expect to face a few world class death bowlers in the World Cup so they need to have done more than beat up domestic death bowlers.

 

[ankitj]

every time an asian time finds a great big hitter at 7 who can be consistent they promote him up the order and ruin what made him good

Who are you thinking of?

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Yeah the normal ODI team, even WC winners, aren't going to have an ATG batsman like Hussey or Bevan at #7.

Generally your allrounder or keeper bat there and they're either a strike feeder or they boof it. To get a good one, I'd take note of guys who bat top 4 in domestic one dayers at least sometimes. At some point they're going to rescue a collapse and can always expect to face a few world class death bowlers in the World Cup so they need to have done more than beat up domestic death bowlers.

Australia had Hussey at 7 for the early part of his career and he was absolutely brilliant.

 

[subshakerz]

Australia had Hussey at 7 for the early part of his career and he was absolutely brilliant.

Yeah. No.7 should have more batting ability.

If Kapil is batting at no.7 you must have a pretty weak tail.

 

[morgieb]

Yeah the normal ODI team, even WC winners, aren't going to have an ATG batsman like Hussey or Bevan at #7.

Actually I'm pretty sure Hussey primarily batted 7 in the 2007 World Cup.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Yeah the normal ODI team, even WC winners, aren't going to have an ATG batsman like Hussey or Bevan at #7.

well as mentioned, they did. But that was only because the top 6 was ridiculous and Hussey was the new guy

Actually I'm pretty sure Hussey primarily batted 7 in the 2007 World Cup.

False, he was up to 6 by that stage.

 

[Flem274*]

OK, I'll revise for the pedantic. Unless you have the greatest mens ODI side ever, you're unlikely to waste an ATG at #7.

 

[Shri]

Who are you thinking of?

Hardik atm, Irfan Pathan in the past, Uthappa etc

 

[wellAlbidarned]

Obviously being able to bat good is desirable, but that's not unique to no7s. I think the main unique non-batting skill no7s need is the ability to play the percentages and take smart risks, and know how to cope with the uncertainty and failure that comes with that. Off the top of my head Dhoni has done the best job of articulating this mindset (thought obvs he was more of a #6, I think a lot of the same stuff applies). This is why many otherwise brilliant middle order players have or would suck at no7, you can't bat in a bubble that late in the game.

 

[subshakerz]

Obviously being able to bat good is desirable, but that's not unique to no7s. I think the main unique non-batting skill no7s need is the ability to play the percentages and take smart risks, and know how to cope with the uncertainty and failure that comes with that. Off the top of my head Dhoni has done the best job of articulating this mindset (thought obvs he was more of a #6, I think a lot of the same stuff applies). This is why many otherwise brilliant middle order players have or would suck at no7, you can't bat in a bubble that late in the game.

To me a number 7 would be pretty much the same batting level as a number 6.