What is wrong with doctoring of pitch ?

[Sunil1z]

Imo pitches on which , teams don’t bother to play spinners are most doctored . ICC should sanction all those pitches on which spinners don’t bowl atleast 20% overs provided minimum of 60 overs has been bowled in an innings.

 

[Senile Sentry]

Obligatory daily reminder

Pace bowlers in India since 2016
Indian pacers - 214 wickers @ 23.6
Non-Indian pacers - 174 @ 41.84

 

[Ashes81]

So you agree pitches that justify picking 4 quick bowlers are also poor?

Yes - if a pitch doesn't offer anything to spin bowlers then it's not a good pitch.

Obviously pitches around the world differ, that's part of the game.

But I don't like pitches in the SC that spin from the word go and offer nothing for seam bowlers.

Equally I don't like pitches in England, or anywhere else for that matter, that offer continued movement throughout the game and where spinners have no impact even on days 4 and 5.

 

[Shri]

lets forget pitch doctoring for a second and focus on another form of cheating. england conveniently found a box of balls that did not move at all when they began their shot a ball bullshit at home for 2 tests vs nz and india

so we really shouldn't be taking these ***** seriously when it comes to fairness. it is a poker table where everyone cheats so shut the **** up about home countries doing seedy **** to gain an upper hand. accept it and beat you opponents despite that and ****ing spare us

 

[Ashes81]

Why? In an age where even gender based roles are being challenged and getting more fluid, cricket has surely got to move on with such rigidities around bowler roles surely ?

I am glad that India has more or less pioneered this change. And Ashwin being a top proponent. It's actually akin to Srikkanth / Greatbatch opening to use the fielding restrictions which revolutionized ODIs. Maybe even more.

I really don't see the relationship between gender fluidity and spinners opening the bowling.

If you like matches that finish in 3 days and where seam bowling is more or less redundant then that's your choice.

I love spin bowling and it's a key part of the game but so is seam bowling.

Having pitches that massively favour either spin or pace doesn't float my boat.

I didn't like the 2015 Trent Bridge pitch when we skittled the Aussies out - it did far too much early on.

If we produced pitches like that every game, we'd be very tough to beat but it would become tiresome very quickly.

 

[subshakerz]

I really don't see the relationship between gender fluidity and spinners opening the bowling.

If you like matches that finish in 3 days and where seam bowling is more or less redundant then that's your choice.

I love spin bowling and it's a key part of the game but so is seam bowling.

Having pitches that massively favour either spin or pace doesn't float my boat.

I didn't like the 2015 Trent Bridge pitch when we skittled the Aussies out - it did far too much early on.

If we produced pitches like that every game, we'd be very tough to beat but it would become tiresome very quickly.

I don't mind it if those pitches are occasional ones.

In India, most pitches are now extra spicy for the spinners. Mumbai, Kolkata, it is mattering less. It becomes a bit redundant.

I used to like variations between grounds with a general rule that it becomes more difficult to bat as the game gets longer.

 

[silentstriker]

First we should have definitions, and then it is a matter of degree. What do you mean by pitch doctoring? And then at what degree do you draw the line? Because there is certainly a line everyone would draw, but that line may be different for different places.

For my personal opinion, I have no problem with some pitches being absolute turners, while others being great for fast bowlers and even a few where its easy to make runs (though these are my least favorite). In my ideal world, the pitch should stay roughly the same characteristic (barring uncontrollable things like weather which may affect preparation obviously) - e.g some grounds always turn, some have a greentop, etc. So in order from most to least acceptable to me:

1. A particular pitch that always offers a lot of turn (or bounce/greentop): Totally Fine
2. Pitch that is usually a greentop but the away side is better at that then the home side, so the home side prepares a turning wicket- Still Fine
3. Pitch that is a sporting pitch but the home side needs a draw to win the series/qualify for WTC final/etc so they make it absolutely flat to try for a draw (or the homeside absolutely needs a result so they take a usually flat deck and make it into a minefield) - would leave a bad taste
4. Pitch that is selectively prepared where patches are watered/treated differently based on the RHB/LHB and bowler combinations of the home/opposing side (and would differ every match depending on who is playing) - don't think that's really 'fair' and I would make this against the rules
5. Pitch that is altered midgame in a way that is clearly against the rules - obviously wrong

Based on how it played, Nagpur seemed to play like it usually does, so that would be a (1) there.

 

[Shri]

Pitch that is altered midgame in a way that is clearly against the rules - obviously wrong

do you want to ban rollers then

 

[Coronis]

do you want to ban rollers then

“in a way that is clearly against the rules” read his post mate

 

[Shri]

“in a way that is clearly against the rules” read his post mate

no

 

[JonoWalls]

Shastri's comments and pitch doctoring: Why bother playing test cricket at all. The game has gone mouldy when people canvas unfairness, trying to fashion it all as home advantage. Cancel it all and all go to the beach - you can't doctor surfing. The swell is what it is. Judges can be off and biased but generally speaking their fix on matters is limited to tight contests between closely matched surfers. If what is reported is true in India, rolling and watering the centre of the Nagpur pitch, drying the edges to advantage home spinners, and making if hard for the visiting side to practice after the game, then just cancel the series. The Australian coach's reaction, mealy-mouthed and pointless. As for Renshaw, is his heart and mind on playing for Australia? Australia's performance was bad, weak, but when you know the fix is in, it's hard to concentrate.

 

[cnerd123]

The only bad pitch is a dangerous one.

It's called Test Cricket. Not homogenised around the globe all cricketers have an equal role and let everyone take home a medal so no ones feelings get hurt Cricket.

 

[ataraxia]

Pitches should be randomised tbh, completely serious. Some green, some red. Some flat, some worn. Some grassy, some dusty. Some concave, some convex, etc.

 

[shortpitched713]

So we should give up actually playing cricket, and start simming the results of all Test matches from hereon in, right?

I'm on it.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Why? In an age where even gender based roles are being challenged and getting more fluid, cricket has surely got to move on with such rigidities around bowler roles surely ?

I got no-balled for chucking on the weekend even after I told them I identified as a bowler with a straight arm

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

So we should give up actually playing cricket, and start simming the results of all Test matches from hereon in, right?

I'm on it.

Nah. If we're going to start simming the results of all Test matches, give exclusive rights to Prince EWS.

At least that way in a couple of years, I'm going to have a few more spare weeks a year to do something productive with.

 

[Burgey]

I presume everyone else has also noticed it's always Indian fans asking "What's wrong with this or that morally reprehensible thing which the rest of the game finds abhorrent but which our team is on board with?"

Mankads, ball tampering, pitch doctoring, threatening to go home if they don't get their way. I'll add a few more once I've finished my lunch. The list is endless.

 

[Sunil1z]

I presume everyone else has also noticed it's always Indian fans asking "What's wrong with this or that morally reprehensible thing which the rest of the game finds abhorrent but which our team is on board with?"

Actually this thread was created mainly for Australian fans , who start crying at the sight of any pitch that doesn’t resemble bouncy roads . Instead of crying in the match thread , you can cry here .

 

[Burgey]

No one here was crying though.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

Lol so much insecurity