What I'd like to see next...

[aditya]

yeah div 3 will be decided on NRR if Karna win and i (colts) lose, and to Aditya i have won my games by enough of a margin you just cant hack that anderson tore you to peices in game 1

I never said pointing out Colts and Karnataka.And btw i lost by just 5 runs Age if u remember.It was not a walkover for u.

 

[aditya]

So let me get this straight - in that scenario Team 1 wins all t's games in the competition, yet you don't think they necessarily deserve to win the whole competition?

Seems a bit of a wierd one to me that!

The competition will be much more interesting with the bonus pts.It will not be that till team 1 doesnt lose no other team can catch them up.And if the team 1 wins all their matches convincingly then they are deserving winner.

All the suggestions from a to z that majority of the members agree seems wired to u.I dont know y u just cant have a rediscussion and change some of the rules which everyone wants or atleast give a positive answer as we will consider the views.You are just telling no to everything anyone suggests.

 

[marc71178]

Ill explain it to u marc....lets say team 1 is Colts and team 2 is Karnataka....

So if Colts win 7 out of 7, how are they not deserving of the title?

 

[marc71178]

The competition will be much more interesting with the bonus pts.It will not be that till team 1 doesnt lose no other team can catch them up.And if the team 1 wins all their matches convincingly then they are deserving winner.

Sorry, but if one team wins all their games, they are surely deserved winners - it would be extremely rough on them if they beat all-comers, but didn't win the league!

 

[Paid The Umpire]

Let us put this 'all win yet loss' theory into practice...


If there is only 1 round of fixtures (ie. each team versus each other team once only.)

Win = 4pts
Loss = 0pts
Bonus Points = 1pt

5 games a season...
Team A wins all 5 games but gets no bonus points.
Team B wins four games, gets the bonus point in all four but loses against Team A.

Points
Team A - 20pts
Team B - 20pts

So it would come down to NRR.

10 games in a season would be the same except Team B would have to win the 8 games with the BP. While Team A only 'scrape' through their 10 wins. BLOODY RARE!


The bonus point is more for ordering the teams in a league this size (6 teams), as one or two teams will dominate...

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In a four division competition there should be one of two things, Pura Cup style or Bonus Point style.

PURA CUP...
Win Outright - 6pts
Win First Innings - 2pts
Easy & Simple, except that multiple teams could end up on same points

BONUS POINT STYLE...
BONUS POINTS
A Run - 0.01pts
A Wicket - 0.20pts

FIRST INNINGS RESULTS
Win - 6
Loss - 0
Tie - 3

OUTRIGHT RESULTS
An Outright Win after 1st Inngs Win - 12
An Outright Win after 1st Inngs Loss - 9
An Outright Win after 1st Inngs Tie - 9
An Outright Loss after 1st Inngs Win - 3
An Outright Loss after 1st Inngs Loss - 0
An Outright Loss after 1st Inngs Tie - 3
An Outright Tie after 1st Inngs Win - 9
An Outright Tie after 1st Inngs Tie - 6
An Outright Tie after 1st Inngs Loss -3

OTHER
Forfeit Win - 9
Forfeit Loss - (-6)


Complex but teams will never score the same (you'd hope)

 

[Umpire Money]

i like it

it might be a bit confusing to begin with but bonus points arent really a four day thing are they

 

[marc71178]

The idea of losing points for forfeiting games is one I very much like!

 

[Rich2001]

Hmm

I still think that the 4 day should be changed (although i'll accept the final decision)..

After 6 rounds...

I am 3-1-2 (3 wins, 1 draw, 2 losses)

How should i be behind a guy with 2 wins?

Because the way the points are worked out the other team scored alot heaver in the bouns points than you...

Ok an example (nothing to do with the actual leauge here)

3 Wins - 30 points
1 Draw - 3 Points
2 Losses - 0 Points

Now on top of that say you got a few bouns points - 10

The other team might only have 2 wins but would have scored alot heaver on the bouns points, with 20 for the win if he scored maxium points in both games he would go onto 40 points, plus add a draw or to in their and that would take him ahead of you...


I understand what you are saying and Kent have had the same trouble scored avg in 1st inngs but knock the runs of with ease in the 2nd, I recall serval games this season when teams have fallen to 100 odd all out in their 1st inngs but have come back and scored 550+ in the 2nd, but they get no cerdit for it.

If you think about it in another way, surely we already offer a 1st inngs win in our points system, because the team winning at half way would nearly always take more points than the team losing, ok admitly if it's a tight game then they wouldn't but more often than not they do.

 

[marc71178]

Perhaps we could set up 2 threads, one for each form of the game, and get the forum as a whole to suggest options, which the new board then discuss on election?

 

[aditya]

Perhaps we could set up 2 threads, one for each form of the game, and get the forum as a whole to suggest options, which the new board then discuss on election?

Thats a good idea Marc.At last you are thinking about other persons views and agreeing to discuss it in the board meeting.Thats all we want from you.Just by your saying like this we think are suggestions are taken into account.

 

[marc71178]

Thats a good idea Marc.At last you are thinking about other persons views and agreeing to discuss it in the board meeting.Thats all we want from you.Just by your saying like this we think are suggestions are taken into account.

Well that is the way to get things discussed, not to start polls with things which have already been changed in.

Mind you, all the meetings where we've asked for suggestions haven't exactly elicited a great response (except for suggestions for the points system before season 2)

 

[Umpire Money]

see the problem is that maybe some pitches let in more runs than others a pace pitch will let in more runs than a spin pitch(theoretically)

 

[Rich2001]

This is the offical statment from the manual of the game, which would back up your view Umpire_Money

Modify pitch conditions

Pitch conditions can be set for each veune. N.B. each team is allocated one home ground. The pitch conditions in each game vary according to a gaussian distribution, but can be weighted by the pitch conditions controls. There are three factors to modify, pace, movement and turn:



Pace controls how quickly the wicket plays. Slower wickets are harder to score on and result in lower run rates. Faster wickets encourage greater run scoring but provide extra bounce for fast bowlers and spinners.

Movement controls how much the ball deviates both vertically and laterally. Greater movement produces more wickets and makes batting more difficult.

Turn controls how much assistance is in the pitch for slow bowlers. Pitches offering more turn will help slow bowlers take wickets.

 

[Umpire Money]

so if the pitch were 0 -10-10 which i think some are close they would be lucky to score half of those who have a pitch of 10-0-0

im lucky i picked a good pitch but some weirdos out there didnt

 

[Rich2001]

so if the pitch were 0 -10-10 which i think some are close they would be lucky to score half of those who have a pitch of 10-0-0

im lucky i picked a good pitch but some weirdos out there didnt

Anyone willing to try 0 - 0 - 0

 

[deckard]

So let me get this straight - in that scenario Team 1 wins all t's games in the competition, yet you don't think they necessarily deserve to win the whole competition?

Seems a bit of a wierd one to me that!

Well this could happen in FC, maybe we should look at this and fix it.

 

[marc71178]

Well this could happen in FC, maybe we should look at this and fix it.

How could it happen that someone wins all their games yet doesn't win the league? 2 of the Champions have been named!

Besides that, we cannot change the points structure now!

 

[deckard]

How could it happen that someone wins all their games yet doesn't win the league? 2 of the Champions have been named!

Besides that, we cannot change the points structure now!

What i meant was in the future like maybe next season.

 

[marc71178]

But that is also the case in real life is it not?

 

[deckard]

So what your saying is that its ok for a team to win all its FC matches yet not win the competition but its not ok for a OD side to win all their matches and not win the competition??