What do you think of Virat Kohli?

[Daemon]

Gambhir's ODI career fell away quite spectacularly. His Test career was more of a gradual decline after the promising tour of SA and some very good series prior to that, but in ODIs he just went to complete **** a while after the WC win.

He was very important to India's success during the period though.

 

[ankitj]

Tendulkar and Kohli in ODI chases: who's better? - ESPNcricinfo

TLDR: Tendulkar was as effective in chases as Kohli.

 

[honestbharani]

I really wonder what is classified as a "chase" here? If he is ruling out successful vs unsuccessful chases on the basis that it is the team mates who make it so, then isn't all of the other relative comparisons deserving of the same caveat?

 

[ankitj]

Win is a post facto thing. Win or loss doesn't apply when the game is being played. So average in wins or any stat in wins is useless. Moreover you win more games against weaker teams and in favourable conditions. So if anything, average in losses is more telling.

 

[honestbharani]

Yeah but you did not address my other question. The author says he has left out wins vs losses coz that is decided based on how good the rest of the team are and then proceeded to do a relative impact of Kohli and Sachin against the scores made by their respective team mates, which is basically the same thing.

 

[ankitj]

Yeah but you did not address my other question. The author says he has left out wins vs losses coz that is decided based on how good the rest of the team are and then proceeded to do a relative impact of Kohli and Sachin against the scores made by their respective team mates, which is basically the same thing.

He has not gone from the perspective of match results however. He is looking at contributions relative to the totals they had to chase.

 

[honestbharani]

Which is fine, but if the conclusion already was that Kohli's team mates were better than Sachin's team mates, what exactly is the relative comparison gonna tell us?

 

[Daemon]

I understand where the writer is coming from, it's clear that Kohli has had better support at the other end from this analysis (or simply common sense/observation).

But at the end of the day, lets ignore wins and losses and just look at a simple fact - Kohli has scored runs at a much, much better average and a higher strike rate than Tendulkar while chasing. He even has more hundreds.

You can't say that Tendulkar was as good as Kohli while chasing imo, just isn't true.

 

[honestbharani]

Its my gripe here. He says Virat had better support than Sachin and then uses stats which show Sachin performed better than his "apparently" not good enough team mates by just about the same level as Virat has outperformed his "supposedly" better team mates. The lack of logic on that one is bad even by crapinfo standards. I mean, its worse than most fan boy theories you read on the youtube comments.

 

[Daemon]

Yeah. I'd be fine if based on this

It is the players at the other end who account for the difference between the results achieved in Tendulkar's era and those achieved in Kohli's. Here are the figures to prove it.

He was basically saying it's not right to trot out the win/loss stats that are usually used to argue the asterisks on Sachin's chasing record, because his teammates were scoring far below the asking rate and total while Kohli's teammates have been only slightly below. This is a good analysis to show that win/loss records are quite meaningless when judging an individual player.

But then somehow he's managed to conclude that Tendulkar was actually a better chaser than Kohli. Very strange.

 

[harsh.ag]

Also, to be a great chaser, by definition you have to score at a higher rate if you know your teammates suck, so if Sachin was only outperforming his teammates at the same rate as Kohli is, then there is a problem.

At best what you that article should have concluded is that Sachin isn't worse than Kohli when it comes to scoring runs in the second innings. But the term chasing comes with other parameters.

 

[harsh.ag]

Plus the balls faced per dismissal is much higher for Kohli during chases than Sachin which says a lot right there to be fair.

 

[srbhkshk]

There's no real doubt that Virat is the best chaser, probably of all time, but Sachin gets a lot of flak at times which is not necessarily warranted.

 

[smash84]

There's no real doubt that Virat is the best chaser, probably of all time, but Sachin gets a lot of flak at times which is not necessarily warranted.

Over their careers possibly dhoni a better chaser. Also Dhoni better in world cups too

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Oh this thread.

To answer the question posed by the title of this thread...

I think he is a very handsome man with his beard, and an ogre without. I am not shaming him.

 

[srbhkshk]

Over their careers possibly dhoni a better chaser. Also Dhoni better in world cups too

Dhoni is up there too, but I think Virat has passed him because he does it from #3. As for world cups, it's only really one great innings separating the two (a very important one though.)

 

[Daemon]

Fairly convinced that he will be the best of our next generation of batsmen.

Definitely not if you consider Gambhir to be part of the same generation.

And, probably not if you consider Raina to be part of the same generation.

Best and worst prediction

 

[Prince EWS]

Best and worst prediction

Jono best
Weldone worst

Confirms my preconceived opinions. I'm in.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Best and worst prediction

Jono best
Weldone worst

Confirms my preconceived opinions. I'm in.

This is definitely the worst one:

I believe Saurabh Tiwary and Manish Pandey are better than him tbh. They look much more attacking have shown glimpses of what they could do in T20 games. Would like to see them given an extended run in ODIs.

 

[Daemon]

Nah in Shri's defence he said 'are'. Not really a prediction imo.