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Wasim Akram Vs Viv Richards (odis)
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DrWolverine
International 12th Man
Viv
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Viv but very close.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Viv vs Tendulkar is close.
Garner vs McGrath is close.
Murali vs Wasim is close
Dhoni vs Gilly is close.
Kohli vs ABD is close.
Imran vs Kapil is close.
That bunch is my top ODI list in some order with Viv on top.
Garner vs McGrath is close.
Murali vs Wasim is close
Dhoni vs Gilly is close.
Kohli vs ABD is close.
Imran vs Kapil is close.
That bunch is my top ODI list in some order with Viv on top.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Garner for his batting.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Pollock. Also imo, Dhoni is distinctly ahead of Gilchrist. I mean Dhoni is undoubtedly a better batsman by a tier, a better ODI keeper and arguably the Greatest captain.
sayon basak
International Captain
Not really. Dhoni was better in both of the disciplines, and the batting gap is too much.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Gilly is a better keeper and the bat role is completely different as Gilly is a shock attack opener and Gilly has three key WC final performances so it's debatable. I agree Dhoni is better because of captaincy but Gilly has a case.
DrWolverine
International 12th Man
Akram was good but not in same level as Viv
Viv Richards was the best one day player of his era
Viv Richards was the best one day player of his era
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Dhoni is a legit contender for a Top 5 ODI bat of All Time. Have Gilchrist a tier below, alongside the likes of Sangakkara and Buttler. Don't think their batting is close. Also, two WC Final performances and Dhoni has his own. And Dhoni's role rarer. As a batsman not debatable imo. And as an ODI keeper, Dhoni's skill sets (stumping, run outs, etc yk what I am talking about) are better suited. At worst equal keeps. So yeah, overall really can't see the case for Gilchrist, never have.
DrWolverine
International 12th Man
Akram in 1980s
Akram in 1990s
I do not think Akram was as dominant as Viv but he was one of the best for a very long period of time. Even in 2000s he did very well - 106 wkts in 75 ODIs @ 24.
Akram in 1990s
I do not think Akram was as dominant as Viv but he was one of the best for a very long period of time. Even in 2000s he did very well - 106 wkts in 75 ODIs @ 24.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
That's a very impressive record for Akram as a teen in the 80s. But then it was an easier era for bowlers.
sayon basak
International Captain
Exactly. Those lightning fast stumpings and run outs may not be very useful in tests, but they are very very useful in LOI's.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Dhoni was definitely a much better keeper in ODIs than tests. But Gilly had to deal with not just Warne but lightning pacers like Lee spraying it around.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
I also rate Dhoni ahead as batter (not as high as you do since I think his skills as a closer declined as he went along) but like I said, I think Gilly has a case. Like Jayasuria and DeSilva, his combo of opening blaster and big match player was more than just his average. He radically shifted a games momentum in the first five overs.
Gilly was to me still a better keeper too.
However, Dhoni is the greatest ODI captain so you could say that makes his case quite clear.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
I mean, you know as well as I do that the ball do much less **** in an ODI track compared to a 5th Day Test one or the swing/seam is significantly less than with a Test New ball. There's a reason so many people like Dravid had kept long in ODIs. It's significantly easier. Dhoni wasn't bad to spin anyways and he kept to his fair share of sprayers. Overall, I will prefer Dhoni for his more LOI specialist skill sets but at worst they are around equal.
DrWolverine
International 12th Man
In 1990s 25 “fast bowlers” took 100+ wickets
Donald : Best average. 2nd best strike rate. 9th best economy rate.
McGrath : 9th best average. 9th best strike rate. 8th best economy rate.
Akram : 5th best average. 7th best strike rate. 6th best economy rate.
Ambrose : 10th best average. 18th best strike rate. Best economy rate.
Wasim seems to have the best balance among the four great pacers in the 1990s.
Wasim also had a great record in the World Cup and his performance in 1992 Final is legendary
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Even without captaincy, I think most have Dhoni right after the Big 4 with Bevan. Those guys had a way more niche and impactful skill set but even without considering that, I will put them in a tier with Abbas, Ponting, Jones, Lara and Rohit; ahead of all those 5. Gilchrist simply is in the one below. Not only for just average, he was never as good overall a batsman as them and that's not shame.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Include Pollock
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Plenty of pacers were excellent with the new ball but Wasim was the best death overs bowler by a fair margin in that period.