wasim akram vs glenn mcgrath

[Sanz]

i seem to remember tis topic from around about 3 years ago on here...I seemed to remember getting a good bashing when I said that McGrath was the more successful bowler out of the two.

Yes because you started your argument with Ball Tampering Accusation and then follow it up with your stupid arguments like "Akram was great at knocking over the tail" .

http://forum.cricketweb.net/showthread.php?t=6791&highlight=mcgrath

When it comes to any Sub-continental player vs. a non-subcontinental player, you show your typical bias and come up with ridiculous attacks and suggestions.

And when polls took place and people Favored Akram Over Mcgrath 30-8, you camw up with "but what the hell..I know i am right :P...and no doubt i will be drawn into mCGrath corner before too long on this thread anyway...hehehehe"

 

[Sanz]

Wasim for the extra entertainment value.

 

[FRAZ]

Wasim for the extra entertainment value.

I dont believe it . I like Masala girls but I would love to love the one who doesn't like make up at all or atleast having a durable guarantee..

 

[Swervy]

Yes because you started your argument with Ball Tampering Accusation and then follow it up with your stupid arguments like "Akram was great at knocking over the tail" .

http://forum.cricketweb.net/showthread.php?t=6791&highlight=mcgrath

When it comes to any Sub-continental player vs. a non-subcontinental player, you show your typical bias and come up with ridiculous attacks and suggestions.

And when polls took place and people Favored Akram Over Mcgrath 30-8, you camw up with "but what the hell..I know i am right :P...and no doubt i will be drawn into mCGrath corner before too long on this thread anyway...hehehehe"

well done to Sanz for finding the thread!!!!


here is what I actually said:

"i am gonna go with McGrath on this one...for me he is /was more reliable.

and I am afraid to say it, but I still cant get the accustaions of ball tampering out of my mind with Akram (who I did love watching, esp for lancs)"

and yes I did say that Akram was great at knocking over the tail, but it was actually said as a compliment if you read what I said in full:

"Akram was great at knocking over the tail and yes he was a great bowler,but give me McGrath to get rid of the openers any day of the week."

In response to you saying:
"Wasim Akram - Greatest bowler of modern era. Mcgrath is good but can not be compared to Wasim."
I said:
I said:To say Akram is miles ahead of McGrath is a joke...look at the figures

 

[Sanz]

Yes, I said that about Mcgrath and perhaps my opinion on his bowling has changed since and I may not say that he cant be compared to Akram but nowhere I was trying to deginerate his bowling by making stupid statements like you did even before you started your arguments.

My statement isn't way off either(And the poll showed it), there are many people who think of Akram as better bowler and a very entertaining one at the same time.

And it's not just with Akram, Any time you argue against a subcontinent player, you do that and its not just me who has noticed that.

 

[Swervy]

actually re-reading that old thread, I still will back up what I was trying to say.

A lot of people seemed to be saying McGrath didnt really have the right to be considered anywahere near as good as Akram...that was what I was arguing against.

 

[UncleTheOne]

Is the really any point in a thread like this? They are both incredible players, it's just like the whole Lara V Tendulker thing, utterly pointless, both are legends and you'd kill to have either in your team.

 

[Sanz]

I dont believe it . I like Masala girls but I would love to love the one who doesn't like make up at all or atleast having a durable guarantee..

Fraz, You were banned from here for two years, so please Dont be a troll and make stupid accusations and assumptions.

I say it what I feel it. If Akram is great I will say it, If Akhtar isn't I will say that as well.

 

[Sanz]

actually re-reading that old thread, I still will back up what I was trying to say.

A lot of people seemed to be saying McGrath didnt really have the right to be considered anywahere near as good as Akram...that was what I was arguing against.

Sure you can argue in favor of Mcgrath, but please dont post ridiculous stuff like "he was good @ knocking the tail" when the guy took 65% top order wickets or accuse him of ball tampering etc.

 

[Hugh]

Fraz, You were banned from here for two years, so please Dont be a troll and make stupid accusations and assumptions.

I say it what I feel it. If Akram is great I will say it, If Akhtar isn't I will say that as well.

He was what ? That certainly explains a lot..

 

[FRAZ]

A lot of people seemed to be saying McGrath didnt really have the right to be considered anywahere near as good as Akram...that was what I was arguing against.

And you were arguing against the people by saying the same statement but changing the respective names of the players. And Wasim wiped off the tail most of the times .Prove it . And I need to see a data that Wasim wiped off just the tail . Data please?

 

[Swervy]

Yes, I said that about Mcgrath and perhaps my opinion on his bowling has changed since and I may not say that he cant be compared to Akram but nowhere I was trying to deginerate his bowling by making stupid statements like you did even before you started your arguments.

My statement isn't way off either(And the poll showed it), there are many people who think of Akram as better bowler and a very entertaining one at the same time.

And it's not just with Akram, Any time you argue against a subcontinent player, you do that and its not just me who has noticed that.

all I said was that I couldnt never get the ball tampering accusations out of my head, but that doesnt change my opinion on Akram in fact, he was a great great bowler, but if I were looking for reliability I would go with McGrath.

Normally when I say anything about a subcontinental it is a reaction to some overblown comment about said subcontinental player or team... I was responding to the ridiculous notion that McGrath didnt deserve to be mentioned in the same breathe as Akram...that to me smacks totally of a bias by the people who thought that

(Whether Akram was more entertaining is not relevent)

 

[FRAZ]

Fraz, You were banned from here for two years, so please Dont be a troll and make stupid accusations and assumptions.

I say it what I feel it. If Akram is great I will say it, If Akhtar isn't I will say that as well.

You seem like repeating it again and again . I wasn't saying as if Akram is a better one or the other one is better . For me may be Mcgrath is but I did not like the statement " the extra-entertainment value" ...

 

[Swervy]

Sure you can argue in favor of Mcgrath, but please dont post ridiculous stuff like "he was good @ knocking the tail" when the guy took 65% top order wickets or accuse him of ball tampering etc.

since when is saying a bowler is good at knocking over the tail been to the detrement of the bowler concerned..and I didnt accuse him of ball tampering, I said I couldnt get those accustaions out of my head

 

[FRAZ]

since when is saying a bowler is good at knocking over the tail been to the detrement of the bowler concerned..and I didnt accuse him of ball tampering, I said I couldnt get those accustaions out of my head

So what does that mean then ........ Accusation ,out , head , What does that mean ?
Accusation is an accusation and it is in your head and it s not out so you believe in "Accusation" or the facts and the proven figures?

 

[Hugh]

And you were arguing against the people by saying the same statement but changing the respective names of the players. And Wasim wiped off the tail most of the times .Prove it . And I need to see a data that Wasim wiped off just the tail . Data please?

"Wasim wiped off just the tail" is grossly incorrect.

However, McGrath is certainly ahead of him in quality of wickets taken as far as batting order is concerned, especially in Tests.

 

[Swervy]

So what does that mean then ........ Accusation ,out , head , What does that mean ?
Accusation is an accusation and it is in your head and it s not out so you believe in "Accusation" or the facts and the proven figures?

????

 

[FRAZ]

"Wasim wiped off just the tail" is grossly incorrect.

However, McGrath is certainly ahead of him in quality of wickets taken as far as batting order is concerned, especially in Tests.

Champ check my list initialy Mcgrath is a top bowler on my list for just a few reasons and Wasimn is like 4th or 5th in my list . Knocking off the tail or bit harsh is not the case here . Case is of accusations and the little itsi bitsis which are not going out of the "head" . I want a clarification for those things . Appreciating a legend is good but accusing Wasim of doing this and that is a foul too . And "head and accusation" now this thing is not getting out of my head.

 

[FRAZ]

????

??????? Oh so out now
good

 

[Swervy]

"Wasim wiped off just the tail" is grossly incorrect.

However, McGrath is certainly ahead of him in quality of wickets taken as far as batting order is concerned, especially in Tests.

Thats right...when I said Akram was great at wiping away the tail, that didnt mean he could destroy the top order as well...but the facts are that a higher proportion of McGraths wickets were of higher calibre batsmen

Akram: http://www.howstat.com.au/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerWicketAnalysisGraph.asp?PlayerID=0029

McGrath: http://www.howstat.com.au/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerWicketAnalysisGraph.asp?PlayerID=1133