Wasim Akram vs Allan Donald

[subshakerz]

Again. Your memory is wrong. Or possibly based on ODIs if you are talking about stuff like 2002-2003. He was never a Wasim quality ODI bowler, but this is not what we are discussing. Donald played 2 tests in 2002 and then retired, much like Wasim.

Donalds MO was express. But he he also had prodigious lift, could seam the ball, and bowl conventional and reverse. When express left him in the 2000s he was fine. Im not gonna argue that Donald bowling 135-140> Donald at 150, but he did fine. Was taking 4.X WPM @ 20 as a FM.

He went sub 25 @3.5 WPM in the 2000s, despite his precipitous decline at the end, when he was literally hobbling in at 125 or so.

Wasim went at 2.4 WPM @30 in the 2000s. Ya, he was still capable of doing some great bowling in the decade. But you cant compare these records.

You can rip into Donalds record in the 2000s if you want within the context of ATG discussions. But it is utterly ridiculous to rip into his 2000s record when comparing him to Wasim. There are many legit reasons to rank Wasim ahead of Donald, but the argument you are clinging to is just categorically wrong.

Yeah I think I was basing it off their ODI performances and remembering comparing them in the 2003 World Cup when Wasim still seemed a reasonable threat while Donald was a shadow of himself.

 

[Bolo.]

Yeah I think I was basing it off their ODI performances and remembering comparing them in the 2003 World Cup when Wasim still seemed a reasonable threat while Donald was a shadow of himself.

Wasim was good enough in ODIs to survive a severe drop in pace. If he was a 115 kph bowler, I think he would have found a way to make it work, at least to a tolerable standard, and even in 2003 he was still hitting 130+ IIRC.

Donald was not good enough in ODIs to get that 130 kph junk that he was bowling after 2002 to work for him.

 

[Kirkut]

Yeah I think I was basing it off their ODI performances and remembering comparing them in the 2003 World Cup when Wasim still seemed a reasonable threat while Donald was a shadow of himself.

Wasim was absolute gun in ODIs, easily beats Donald there. Because of a disappointing World Cup he had to retire or else he could have played ODIs till 2006 as he could still get late swing @85-86 mph.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Wasim was absolute gun in ODIs, easily beats Donald there. Because of a disappointing World Cup he had to retire or else he could have played ODIs till 2006 as he could still get late swing @85-86 mph.

Donald - 3rd greatest ODI bowler in the last 30 years ( after Akram and Mcgrath)

 

[subshakerz]

Donald - 3rd greatest ODI bowler in the last 30 years ( after Akram and Mcgrath)

Starc easily is better than Donald

 

[Slifer]

Seriously, how old are some of you lot?? No bowler is easily or any of that rubbish better than Donald in ODIs. His stats are amazing but beyond that the dude was box office. I assume some are basing this on his performance in his last world cup (bs) because in the decade prior he excelled. In the world cups prior he also excelled.

 

[smash84]

Starc easily is better than Donald

What nonsense dude. What's easily better?

 

[smash84]

Seriously, how old are some of you lot?? No bowler is easily or any of that rubbish better than Donald in ODIs. His stats are amazing but beyond that the dude was box office. I assume some are basing this on his performance in his last world cup (bs) because in the decade prior he excelled. In the world cups prior he also excelled.

This

 

[subshakerz]

What nonsense dude. What's easily better?

Okokok, perhaps 'easily' was just a kneejerk response, but honestly even when they were playing I rated Pollock as a slightly better ODI bowler (though Pollock faded later).

 

[subshakerz]

Seriously, how old are some of you lot?? No bowler is easily or any of that rubbish better than Donald in ODIs. His stats are amazing but beyond that the dude was box office. I assume some are basing this on his performance in his last world cup (bs) because in the decade prior he excelled. In the world cups prior he also excelled.

I watched Donald from his peak mid-90s onwards, no doubting he was great, but yeah I would still put Starc ahead. Easily not best word though, I agree.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

I watched Donald from his peak mid-90s onwards, no doubting he was great, but yeah I would still put Starc ahead. Easily not best word though, I agree.

That was "Lara easily better than Viv" level

 

[Anil]

can we stop with the silly, never-ending comparisons and just accept that they were both outstanding exponents of their craft, just spectacular to watch in full flight?

 

[subshakerz]

can we stop with the silly, never-ending comparisons and just accept that they were both outstanding exponents of their craft, just spectacular to watch in full flight?

Close the thread, in other words?

 

[ankitj]

can we stop with the silly, never-ending comparisons and just accept that they were both outstanding exponents of their craft, just spectacular to watch in full flight?

Wishful thinking

 

[GoodAreasShane]

can we stop with the silly, never-ending comparisons and just accept that they were both outstanding exponents of their craft, just spectacular to watch in full flight?

So you basically want to get rid of two thirds of the discussion in the entire subforum?



I would be all for that

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

So you basically want to get rid of two thirds of the discussion in the entire subforum?



I would be all for that

Discussion= infighting

 

[Migara]

Pollock was the best ODI bowler from SAF. May have had a higher average, but that ER of 3.65 is ATG stuff.
Steyn was the best from Tests.



And all hail Fanie!

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Pollock was the best ODI bowler from SAF. May have had a higher average, but that ER of 3.65 is ATG stuff.
Steyn was the best from Tests.

Lonwabo Tsotsobe

 

[Migara]

Lonwabo Tsotsobe

ER of 4.75. Pauper's version of Vaas

 

[ankitj]

Craig Matthews was another one of the robotic players from SA team of that era who seemingly could do no wrong in ODIs (except when ...)