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Was WI ATG team overhyped?

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Xix2565

International Regular
Though to get back to the thread, I think that WI side was not overhyped. One of the few sides that could play and win in all conditions and their record is a testament to that. You could nitpick by questioning competitiveness/relative strength of teams in general in the era but it's not going to take away from them.
 
Sunil1z

Sunil1z

International Regular
capt_Luffy said:
England has better spinners and batsmen, and Indian batsmen have done good against Imran and Wasim at home.
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No . Inzamam, Anwar and Younis Khan are very good players of spin bowling . Eng batsmen maybe better overall but they aren’t better players of spin than Pak trio .
 
Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
Sunil1z said:
No . Inzamam, Anwar and Younis Khan are very good players of spin bowling . Eng batsmen maybe better overall but they aren’t better players of spin than Pak trio .
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Even though the bulk of their batting lineup built their careers when spin bowling was far more prevalent? Yeah right.
 
Sunil1z

Sunil1z

International Regular
Coronis said:
Even though the bulk of their batting lineup built their careers when spin bowling was far more prevalent? Yeah right.
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What you are saying maybe right . But I expect Pak to lift their game vs IND . Those 90s Pak players absolutely lifted their game vs IND .
 
Sunil1z

Sunil1z

International Regular
Slifer said:
I'm basing RSA on my belief that they've done better than most teams in India and they've only ever played good to great Indian teams. But I could be wrong...
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I think you maybe right . But I have seen 90s Pak players lifting their game vs IND many times . So I am giving them benefit of doubt .
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Xix2565 said:
In which of these series were India's bowling attack as good as the modern one though? Couldn't you just as easily say it's just down to having the better bowling attack regardless of the makeup?

I really don't see how this pace/spin stuff is relevant when all those teams were far weaker than what's available today.
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The pace attacks trumping the Indian bats were features in those series won by WI, SA and Aus.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Sunil1z said:
Another reason SA have done well in Asia because most of our batsmen absolutely loathe facing fast bowlers. So pitch doesn’t matter . Bowl 2-3 consecutive maidens they would give their wickets easily.
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This is the reason India lose against WI, Aus and perhaps Pak and SA at home.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Xix2565 said:
Though to get back to the thread, I think that WI side was not overhyped. One of the few sides that could play and win in all conditions and their record is a testament to that. You could nitpick by questioning competitiveness/relative strength of teams in general in the era but it's not going to take away from them.
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Aus 79/80, Eng 80/81 and Pak 80/81 were all strong teams beaten by WI.
 
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Socerer 01

International Captain
Coronis said:
Even though the bulk of their batting lineup built their careers when spin bowling was far more prevalent? Yeah right.
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England’s old batsmen are great because they built their careers when spin was far more prevalent and pitches were effective for them

England’s old spinners are great compared to modern ones because they have great records when spin was far more prevalent and pitches were effective for them

CW’s nostalgia jerk game going strong as ever
 
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Socerer 01

International Captain
love how the discussion has turned into an exercise to subtly bash Indian players and team after a certain user with a history of doing it everywhere pops up and throws in his usual tangents too :whistling

and when this is pointed out you’ll have “neutrals” rush in and say its cringe or whatever to point it out
 
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Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
Sunil1z said:
No , it isn’t . Somehow a theory is being repeated by certain posters ( not you ) that a Team with great fast bowlers can win anywhere and you don’t need spinners . And all this is based on 1 Test series victory in Pakistan ( I am making myself clear again , I absolutely don’t rate 80s Indian Test side ) .

So , I am giving alternate theory that a Bowling line up of Warne+ Murali + Oreilly + Ashwin can also win anywhere. And you don’t need great fast bowlers in your Team .
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???
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
Sunil1z said:
This thread wasn’t for you 😊
You have many times credited Kumble/Ashwin in past
This thread is mainly for the fast bowling wankers who believe that one can make ATG team without having any spinners .

Let’s say in a Tendulkar vs Lara debate , some Indian poster posts lots of nonsense vs Lara , then that would annoy you too 😊
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But who in all of this criticized any of India's spinners?

My ATG XI has in a spinner, all of them have spinners. But why force in one when the option isn't as good as the pavers available.

The WI literally became the best team ever at that point, currently 2nd best ever, without having a full time specialist spinner. So again I don't understand your argument.

Saying that you can have an ATG team without a great spinner isn't the same as saying one isn't helpful.

But this argument is again based on success in one country, which again we did really well in and the manipulation of stats in the SC doesn't change that.
 
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