Waqar Younis vs James Anderson

[Johan]

Ponting owned everyone except Harby in India and Bond in ODIs. He was brilliant - perhaps better than Chappell and Steve Smith (& definitely better than Waugh & Root).

Top ten things that did not happen, the average of 41 in England and the 7 wickets to Kumble are a display of it, not even close to Smith Waugh and Root are both far greater Batsmen against swing and spin, Ponting just is superior against Bounce.

He was very good against seam and swing too although not as good as someone like Tendulkar or Smith obviously.

Need evidence of this. He has some good knocks against swing and seam but his stats against most seamers are meh and inconsistent.

Are these the first names you decided to look up, or did you cherry pick players he did badly against?

I can't think of too many greater seamers/swing bowlers in the 2000s tbh, I thought Anderson but 2000s Anderson was kinda cheeks until 2008, otcourse I can name quite a few other bowlers he struggled with that I won't even consider great but I like Ponting, just not a fan of people pretending he is Viv or something against pace.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Before 2009, Ponting has good series performances against peak Shoaib Akhtar, Steyn, Donald, Pollock, Wasim, Waqar, Ambrose, Walsh, Anderson, Flintoff, Bond, Asif, Simon Jones.

He probably averaged 40+ against most of them head to head as well.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Waqar is like Botham, you need to look at his career as exceptional pre injury and a waste of time once they took hold where as Anderson was useless to start and became greater the older he got.

If you put young Waqar and old Anderson together to make a career youd have one of the greatest bowlers in history. As it is I could say one bowler one day and the other the next as both were superb at different things.

 

[Gob]

Ponting against Seamers and Swingers

Morkel – 129 runs with 6 outs, average of 21.5
Philander – 18 runs with 2 outs, average of 9
Roach – 100 runs with 5 outs, average of 20
Steyn – 144 runs with 4 outs, average of 36
Vaas – 51 runs with 3 outs, average of 17

want me to go on or...?

Could you post his stats against Wasim, Waqar, Pollock, Donald, Ambrose, Walsh, Shoaib etc

You know the really good ones

 

[BazBall21]

Ponting owned everyone except Harby in India and Bond in ODIs. He was brilliant - perhaps better than Chappell and Steve Smith (& definitely better than Waugh & Root).

Not better than Smith

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Could you post his stats against Wasim, Waqar, Pollock, Donald, Ambrose, Walsh, Shoaib etc

You know the really good ones

Also I think he should post Roots stats against Cummins, Bumrah, Hazlewood etc

He’s probably trolling tbf.

 

[Johan]

Before 2009, Ponting has good series performances against peak Shoaib Akhtar, Steyn, Donald, Pollock, Wasim, Waqar, Ambrose, Walsh, Anderson, Flintoff, Bond, Asif, Simon Jones.

He probably averaged 40+ against most of them head to head as well.

You just know a guy isn't good against pacers when you gotta gas up Flintoff lmfao, tho peak Flintoff in 2005 Ashes dominated Ponting anyway

 

[Gob]

Are these the first names you decided to look up, or did you cherry pick players he did badly against?

Cherry picked obviously. Why the **** else would you conveniently overlooke all the other great bowlers faced by Ponting

I mean all these guys in the list baring Vaas bowled at Ponting when he was way passed it

 

[Johan]

Could you post his stats against Wasim, Waqar, Pollock, Donald, Ambrose, Walsh, Shoaib etc

You know the really good ones

I only have access to 2000s stats so can't do most of the list but

Shoaib – 32.5
Waqar – 27.5 (in his elderly years lmao)

I don't know why I'd include Ambrose and Walsh even if I could tbh, not only can I not do it, my case wasn't against him against pace in general but against movement

 

[BazBall21]

Also I think he should post Roots stats against Cummins, Bumrah, Hazlewood etc

He’s probably trolling tbf.

Bumrah got Root this winter but Root made 4 hundreds against him in the 2021/22 series. I think he struggles more against Cummins and Hazlewood's style. Relentlessly accurate extra bounce outside off and nip backers. Root doesn't always like it when he can't manipulate lengths and his nudging outside off is dicier on bouncy wickets. He's done alright against Rabada who isn't as good at maintaining pressure as the other two.

 

[Gob]

You just know a guy isn't good against pacers when you gotta gas up Flintoff lmfao, tho peak Flintoff in 2005 Ashes dominated Ponting anyway

Haha I don't find much excitement in these comparison **** anymore so if someone tells me that Anderson > Mcgrath so be it whatever float your boat etc

But **** me Ricky Ponting not good against pace that's a new one. What the **** did I watch from mid 90's through most of 00's then. You learn something new everyday I guess

 

[Johan]

Root is vulnerable against Bounce, everybody knows that and acknowledges that.

What's so hard to work your head around Ponting being vulnerable against Seam/Swing?

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Bumrah got Root this winter but Root made 4 hundreds against him in the 2021/22 series. I think he struggles more against Cummins and Hazlewood's style. Relentlessly accurate extra bounce outside off and nip backers. Root doesn't always like it when he can't manipulate lengths and he plays square a bit too frequently on bouncy wickets. He's done alright against Rabada who isn't as good at maintaining pressure as the other two.

According to Johan, it’s the head to head average that matters, not the number of hundreds.

 

[Gob]

I only have access to 2000s stats so can't do most of the list but

Shoaib – 32.5
Waqar – 27.5 (in his elderly years lmao)

I don't know why I'd include Ambrose and Walsh even if I could tbh, not only can I not do it, my case wasn't against him against pace in general but against movement

What part of Ponting's career did you actually see?

 

[capt_Luffy]

Root is vulnerable against Bounce, everybody knows that and acknowledges that.

What's so hard to work your head around Ponting being vulnerable against Seam/Swing?

It's pretty much common knowledge really that Ponting wasn't great against swing. Pretending he was better than Steve Smith is some bullshit I didn't expect here.

 

[Johan]

Haha I don't find much excitement in these comparison **** anymore so if someone tells me that Anderson > Mcgrath so be it whatever float your boat etc

But **** me Ricky Ponting not good against pace that's a new one. What the **** did I watch from mid 90's through most of 00's then. You learn something new everyday I guess

again, My case is entirely against movement and not against Pace in general, I quite literally admit he is one of the greatest ever against Bounce and Raw pace, I don't know what you don't get.

 

[Johan]

What part of Ponting's career did you actually see?

1995-2012, all of it.

 

[BazBall21]

I'd have Ponting over Root but I think those two are closer than Ponting and Smith

 

[Johan]

Ponting isn't close to Smith at all

 

[Johan]

It's pretty much common knowledge really that Ponting wasn't great against swing. Pretending he was better than Steve Smith is some bullshit I didn't expect here.

Yeah, should be obvious that even in his 75 averaging prime he was a 40 odd Batsmen in England that he has vulnerability against swing but I guess some people are too nostalgia blinded.