Viv Richards vs Glen McGrath

[Johan]

For example though, if Root scores a ton in the Ashes and its his only ton downunder, it’ll be pretty memorable.

he'll make 3 or 4

 

[DrWolverine]

You could argue that’s partly a reason why they’re more memorable.

A teenager scoring a ton against a rampaging Allan Donald.

A brilliant counter attacking innings against Donald at his peak after top order collpased.

An aged Sachin going up against Dale Steyn reminding fans of an aged legend vs young legend.

Cricket is about moments and that’s why his centuries are memorable.

 

[Coronis]

Sean and Coronis really are about to become a tag team named Technicality bros

Technically its The Sean

 

[Johan]

Technically its The Sean

bruh

 

[DrWolverine]

For example though, if Root scores a ton in the Ashes and its his only ton downunder, it’ll be pretty memorable.

Not a good example

Joe Root has scored zero centuries in Australia.

Sachin has scored 5 centuries in 15 matches in South Africa - 2 against Donald & 2 against Steyn

 

[OverratedSanity]

Maybe not in terms of average but Sachin had lots of memorable knocks against SouthAfrica

111 @ Wanderers in 1992

170 @ CapeTown in 1997 is my personal favourite - A bloody great partnership with Azhar

155 @ Blomefentain in 2001

Two more against a peak Dale Steyn when he was at the fag end of his career.

He made an amazing 97 in the home series vs SA in 2000 on an extremely tough pitch too. One of his more underrated innings.

 

[Johan]

what Coronis is saying is that Sachin generally struggled with South Africa and their pacers mortalised him, thus his tons were more impactful and memorable against them.

 

[The Sean]

Tendulkar was interestingly quite feast or famine against South Africa - he failed a lot (23 sub-20 scores in 45 innings), but when he got going he really got going and produced several of his greatest knocks.

 

[Coronis]

Not a good example

Joe Root has scored zero centuries in Australia.

Sachin has scored 5 centuries in 15 matches in South Africa - 2 against Donald & 2 against Steyn

And Root’s would be against… farmers?

For some reason you’re inferring that I meant they’re innings which are only remembered because he was otherwise subpar. Which is not what I said or meant at all.

 

[DrWolverine]

Implying 5’fers are equivalent to centuries is an interesting take.

That’s not what I said.

I merely implied Sachin scores a century in 3.5 Tests against Aus/SA compared to his usual 3.7

McGrath usually takes one 5-Fer every 4.3 Tests but when it came to SA/India, it increased to 7.

 

[DrWolverine]

McGrath 5-Fer
Overall : 29 in 124 Tests
England : 10 in 30 Tests
WI : 8 in 23 Tests
Pak : 3 in 17 Tests
SA : 2 in 17 Tests
NZ : 2 in 14 Tests
Ind : 2 in 11 Tests
SL : 2 in 8 Tests

Sachin centuries
Overall : 51 in 200 Tests
Aus : 11 in 39 Tests
SL : 9 in 25 Tests
SA : 7 in 25 Tests
Eng : 7 in 32 Tests
Bang : 5 in 7 Tests
NZ : 4 in 24 Tests
WI : 3 in 21 Tests
Zim : 3 in 9 Tests
Pak : 2 in 18 Tests

 

[Sliferxxxx]

McGrath 5-Fer
Overall : 29 in 124 Tests
England : 10 in 30 Tests
WI : 8 in 23 Tests
Pak : 3 in 17 Tests
SA : 2 in 17 Tests
NZ : 2 in 14 Tests
Ind : 2 in 11 Tests
SL : 2 in 8 Tests

Sachin centuries
Overall : 51 in 200 Tests
Aus : 11 in 39 Tests
SL : 9 in 25 Tests
SA : 7 in 25 Tests
Eng : 7 in 32 Tests
Bang : 5 in 7 Tests
NZ : 4 in 24 Tests
WI : 3 in 21 Tests
Zim : 3 in 9 Tests
Pak : 2 in 18 Tests

Unfair comparison. There's no limit to how many runs at batsman can score and their output is generally not affected by other teammates. Bowlers compete with each other for a finite number of wkts. In McGraths case, he generally had to compete with the goat (or 2nd goat spinner), and 3 or 4 other very good bowlers: Jason, Macgill, Fleming, Reifel etc.

 

[subshakerz]

I did say partly. Of course its not the only reason.

For example though, if Root scores a ton in the Ashes and its his only ton downunder, it’ll be pretty memorable.

Unless its in a loss and he is going down with the ship.

 

[DrWolverine]

McGrath had to compete with Warne/Jason/Lee etc against Eng & WI as well but for some reason he got at a higher rate against them compared to rest

 

[subshakerz]

Unfair comparison. There's no limit to how many runs at batsman can score and their output is generally not affected by other teammates. Bowlers compete with each other for a finite number of wkts. In McGraths case, he generally had to compete with the goat (or 2nd goat spinner), and 3 or 4 other very good bowlers: Jason, Macgill, Fleming, Reifel etc.

Bowlers can have long hauls like 5-170 where they just stick around and get wickets.

 

[subshakerz]

what Coronis is saying is that Sachin generally struggled with South Africa and their pacers mortalised him, thus his tons were more impactful and memorable against them.

He didn't. He struggled against Cronje maybe.

 

[Johan]

He didn't. He struggled against Cronje maybe.

Yeah because Hansie Cronje played for Zimbabwe

 

[Coronis]

Unless its in a loss and he is going down with the ship.

Eh. I mean if he scores a ton as Australia scores 550/7d and England is rolled for like 275 and 150 that would be memorable no?

 

[sayon basak]

Implying 5’fers are equivalent to centuries is an interesting take. Everyone except Murali and Hadlee suck.

Don't think we only go by 100's to judge batters.

 

[Johan]

fifers and hundreds have completely different context, not even comparable, it's like Batsmen vs bowler comparisons.