Virat Kohli vs AB de Villiers (ODIs)

[Coronis]

ftr that makes your post and replies difficult to read @cristak

 

[blackdevil95]

dood. Ponting has better records in KO, So Ponting >> Sachin. Don't blabber here. Having statistics by scoring in useless and pressure less matches won't be helpful. I already listed some good knocks of AB in CT. Just list down some of Kohli's.

In ICC ODI events Rohit, Dhawan, Sachin, Yuvraj >> Kohli.

For SA AB >> Amla, DeKock

See Kohli's records while chasing ICC ODI events. It's even more pathetic.

And dont make me laugh by AB is behind Kohli against fast bowlers.

Johnson, Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood, Wahab, Tanvir, Southee have told AB as the most difficult to bowl to at specific point of time. I hardly remember anyone mentioned Kohli except Rabada who never bowled to AB. Even legendary Shana Bond mentioned AB as one of the difficult to bowl.

Kohli bashed great fast bowlers mostly in Asian pitches. Bashing fast bowlers on Asian slow wickets and flat wickets won't make him great.


Even in WC's, his records are good due to 2023 home world Cup.

 

[cristak]

You literally took a 300+ game against India where Mclaren(who nobody knows about) made a 71 and India had a **** bowling attack, second one was again against a **** attack of a washed up WI.
The only proper great innings was against SL attack and then dozed of on "pressure situation". I mean if you are taking the CT game vs India and WI **** line ups then Kohli too made a 96 against Ban in ct17semis lol. But nobody counts that because it wasn't against some great attack. He already got a 40+ in finals of ct13 on top of that too where he was the highest scorer on a rained out pitch.


Also, why do I have to specifically see Kohli's records in chasing in ICC tournaments when he already averages 50+ in WC against top teams in comparison to Abd's 43 ???
I mean a WC is the epitome of pressure and Kohli has delivered in them better than Abd right ?

Also, "telling most difficult to bowl" doesn't equate to being the "best batsman". Sachin alo said Cronje was difficult to face, does that make Cronje better than the true great now ??
Most of the Aussie players(including Glenn) takes Lara's name as the most difficult to bowl too. Does that mean Lara was better than Sachin in tests ? When the clear indication is that Sachin pulls up as better overall.

Also, you never saw Kohli bashing Malinga,Starc,Johnson on Aus wickets ? Or Steyn,Morne,Rabada on SA wickets ?
Boult etc in NZ were belted by him too lol.
He played these guys in both away and home in a large sample size and bashed them all over the world, including the WCs.
That's why I said just pitches doesn't make someone's average against a bowler go from 30s to 60s.

 

[blackdevil95]

You literally took a 300+ game against India where Mclaren(who nobody knows about) made a 71 and India had a **** bowling attack, second one was again against a **** attack of a washed up WI.
The only proper great innings was against SL attack and then dozed of on "pressure situation". I mean if you are taking the CT game vs India and WI **** line ups then Kohli too made a 96 against Ban in ct17semis lol. But nobody counts that because it wasn't against some great attack. He already got a 40+ in finals of ct13 on top of that too where he was the highest scorer on a rained out pitch.


Also, why do I have to specifically see Kohli's records in chasing in ICC tournaments when he already averages 50+ in WC against top teams in comparison to Abd's 43 ???
I mean a WC is the epitome of pressure and Kohli has delivered in them better than Abd right ?

Also, "telling most difficult to bowl" doesn't equate to being the "best batsman". Sachin alo said Cronje was difficult to face, does that make Cronje better than the true great now ??
Most of the Aussie players(including Glenn) takes Lara's name as the most difficult to bowl too. Does that mean Lara was better than Sachin in tests ? When the clear indication is that Sachin pulls up as better overall.

Also, you never saw Kohli bashing Malinga,Starc,Johnson on Aus wickets ? Or Steyn,Morne,Rabada on SA wickets ?
Boult etc in NZ were belted by him too lol.
He played these guys in both away and home in a large sample size and bashed them all over the world, including the WCs.
That's why I said just pitches doesn't make someone's average against a bowler go from 30s to 60s.

Are you in dream or what?? Kohli hardly faced ODIs with Starc, Johnson on Aussie wickets. All he faced was Boland, Hastings, Jye Richardson .

Wow against Bangladesh. How many wicket fell while scoring against Bangladesh. Just easy runs he had.

WI In 2006 >> Bangladesh 2017. Except AB and Smith no one scored.

If WCs, are epitome of pressure, why Kohli plays only if team plays good?. Why he chokes when team fails?? If AB had the luxury of good team, he also would have scored freely.

The only great world Cup he had was is 2023 because of Indian pitches again.

I already told, give some good knocks of Kohli under pressure in CT except 2013 final.

You can't. Because he fails.

 

[blackdevil95]

You literally took a 300+ game against India where Mclaren(who nobody knows about) made a 71 and India had a **** bowling attack, second one was again against a **** attack of a washed up WI.
The only proper great innings was against SL attack and then dozed of on "pressure situation". I mean if you are taking the CT game vs India and WI **** line ups then Kohli too made a 96 against Ban in ct17semis lol. But nobody counts that because it wasn't against some great attack. He already got a 40+ in finals of ct13 on top of that too where he was the highest scorer on a rained out pitch.


Also, why do I have to specifically see Kohli's records in chasing in ICC tournaments when he already averages 50+ in WC against top teams in comparison to Abd's 43 ???
I mean a WC is the epitome of pressure and Kohli has delivered in them better than Abd right ?

Also, "telling most difficult to bowl" doesn't equate to being the "best batsman". Sachin alo said Cronje was difficult to face, does that make Cronje better than the true great now ??
Most of the Aussie players(including Glenn) takes Lara's name as the most difficult to bowl too. Does that mean Lara was better than Sachin in tests ? When the clear indication is that Sachin pulls up as better overall.

Also, you never saw Kohli bashing Malinga,Starc,Johnson on Aus wickets ? Or Steyn,Morne,Rabada on SA wickets ?
Boult etc in NZ were belted by him too lol.
He played these guys in both away and home in a large sample size and bashed them all over the world, including the WCs.
That's why I said just pitches doesn't make someone's average against a bowler go from 30s to 60s.

You are counting Malinga?. He was never a great ODI bowler. Everyone used to smash him. Lol

Kohli faced Boult, Johnson, Starc in 13 matches on SENA wickets. He averages just 34 with a strike rate of 84 in those matches.

Even against Anderson and Broad co, Kohli faced them in 11 matches by averaging 19.5 with a strike rate of 71.5 in those matches.


The only good bowling attack he was great was against Rabada, Morkel during his absolute peak year 2018. He failed majorly against quality pace attack rest of the times.

 

[Silver Silva]

You are counting Malinga?. He was never a great ODI bowler. Everyone used to smash him. Lol

Kohli faced Boult, Johnson, Starc in 13 matches on SENA wickets. He averages just 34 with a strike rate of 84 in those matches.

Even against Anderson and Broad co, Kohli faced them in 11 matches by averaging 19.5 with a strike rate of 71.5 in those matches.


The only good bowling attack he was great was against Rabada, Morkel during his absolute peak year 2018. He failed majorly against quality pace attack rest of the times.

Where are you getting these stats from ?

 

[capt_Luffy]

You are counting Malinga?. He was never a great ODI bowler. Everyone used to smash him. Lol

Kohli faced Boult, Johnson, Starc in 13 matches on SENA wickets. He averages just 34 with a strike rate of 84 in those matches.

Even against Anderson and Broad co, Kohli faced them in 11 matches by averaging 19.5 with a strike rate of 71.5 in those matches.


The only good bowling attack he was great was against Rabada, Morkel during his absolute peak year 2018. He failed majorly against quality pace attack rest of the times.

I am really not in a mood to debate cricketers right now, but that's some absolute bullshit.

 

[blackdevil95]

Where are you getting these stats from ?

ESPN statsguru.

 

[blackdevil95]

I am really not in a mood to debate cricketers right now, but that's some absolute bull****.

I am just stating that Kohli stats are superior because of weaker bowling. He was never great against quality pace attack. If you have counter points, feel free to express. Else just shut the **** up and go instead of criticizing. Cry baby Kohli fans

 

[Bolo.]

I can't decide whose utterly dodgy criticisms of the player they don't fancy I like less.

 

[Coronis]

I can't decide whose utterly dodgy criticisms of the player they don't fancy I like less.

Me reading many PC threads.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Revisiting this, ABD could be better given his record vs Aus(strongest team of his time), and his SR(which does reflect in abilities to change the game in ways no one outside Viv could). But he never had as good a WC as Kohli, plus Kohli batted higher

 

[blackdevil95]

Revisiting this, ABD could be better given his record vs Aus(strongest team of his time), and his SR(which does reflect in abilities to change the game in ways no one outside Viv could). But he never had as good a WC as Kohli, plus Kohli batted higher

He has better WC than AB? Only in 2023 due to the home advantage in India. And he was a run accumulator not a genuine match winner. You can't compare it to AB who played on higher gears even outside home. Both are equal in terms of impact I say.

 

[capt_Luffy]

@HouHsiaoHsien please compare Kohli and ABD in some other thread from next time. This one turned out diabolical.