Virat Kohli, the greatest ODI bat ever?

[OverratedSanity]

I see no justification whatsoever for putting ABdV above Kohli. I'd genuinely like to see that argument being put forward in detail.

More destructive ability in the end overs. Can score 30 ball tons on a good day.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Actually , if remove last 11 matches from Rohit stats
It's 14 tons in 51 match .

Not Viv
Not Sachin
It's Rohit Vs kohli now.

 

[sunilz]

Rohit
14 tons in 62 matches

Warner
10 in 41

Top 3 batsmen in odi history playing in the same era. Whoa.

Both Warner and Rohit would be in conversation for ATXI if they have excellent 2019 WC . I am not getting your argument .

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Both Warner and Rohit would be in conversation for ATXI if they have excellent 2019 WC . I am not getting your argument .

If Kohli's 18 100s in 60 matches makes him the Greatest , Rohit is the 2nd best ever with 14 in 51 matches.

Still many believe Rohit not yet in the league of Jayasoorya , Anwar , Gilly or Mark Waugh let alone Sachin.

 

[sunilz]

See I'm not sure if I rate Kohli ahead of ABDV yet. They're about even with ABDV being a few noses in front at this stage. If Kohli keeps his form up though there's no way he won't overtake de Villiers though. He's already ahead of Sachin in my mind.

Kohli has 1600 more runs than Devilliers, has 10 more 50 + innings and averages 6+ more in won games . Apart from Strike rate Devilliers has nothing going in his favour .
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[CricAddict]

Yeah if Kohlis not better than Viv, Rashid Khan and Starc are the GOAT odi bowlers.

Sorry guys garner was okay but helped by a bowler friendly era

I don't know how era adjustment formula works. But I don't think bowling averages have gone significantly up or down with the different eras in the same way as batting averages did.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Kohli has 1600 more runs than Devilliers, has 10 more 50 + innings and averages 6+ more in won games . Apart from Strike rate Devilliers has nothing going in his favour .
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Because
Kohli played more matches
ABDV started in 2005 when batting was bit more tougher
ABDV decline included in this stats.

Still almost equal AVG/SR combo.

Kohli is yet to prove his statistical dominance over his contemporary let alone all-time .

 

[sunilz]

If Kohli's 18 100s in 60 matches makes him the Greatest , Rohit is the 2nd best ever with 14 in 51 matches.

Still many believe Rohit not yet in the league of Jayasoorya , Anwar , Gilly or Mark Waugh let alone Sachin.

People don't rate Rohit because of his poor test record and he is a ftb . Would you really back Rohit to score much on a tough wicket or against great bowling attacks ? People rate Kohli highly because of his test performance in last England and SA tour . Had Kohli performed miserably on his last overseas tour , I doubt people would have considered him greatest ODI batsman . Kohli has proved he can bat on tough wickets against great attacks, Rohit hasn't .

 

[h_hurricane]

Because
Kohli played more matches
ABDV started in 2005 when batting was bit more tougher
ABDV decline included in this stats.

Still almost equal AVG/SR combo.

Kohli is yet to prove his statistical dominance over his contemporary let alone all-time .

Is ABDV's decline factored in his stats ? He smartly retired before his decline. Just kidding on the smart part

Also Kohli has already proved his statistical dominance over his contemporaries.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

People don't rate Rohit because of his poor test record and he is a ftb . Would you really back Rohit to score much on a tough wicket or against great bowling attacks ? People rate Kohli highly because of his test performance in last England and SA tour . Had Kohli performed miserably on his last overseas tour , I doubt people would have considered him greatest ODI batsman . Kohli has proved he can bat on tough wickets against great attacks, Rohit hasn't .

That's a different argument . I was just saying 18 centuries in 60 matches not a sign of best ever century maker , it's lot easier now than sachin time. Otherwise we have to admit Rohit is 2nd best ever. 14 in 51. Phenomenal.

 

[marc71178]

Kohli is yet to prove his statistical dominance over his contemporary

Ok

 

[sunilz]

Because
Kohli played more matches
ABDV started in 2005 when batting was bit more tougher
ABDV decline included in this stats.

Still almost equal AVG/SR combo.

Kohli is yet to prove his statistical dominance over his contemporary let alone all-time .

No he hasn't . And Kohli is 5 years younger than Devilliers and yet he has more runs . So Kohli has already won longevity battle . Strike rate is not an issue for Kohli . Can't remember games where India has lost due to Kohli's slow batting .

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Is ABDV's decline factored in his stats ? He smartly retired before his decline. Just kidding on the smart part

Also Kohli has already proved his statistical dominance over his contemporaries.

When Kohli and ABdV played together ( it's 11 years and more than 90% of Kohli career so far )
ABdV was comfortably ahead of Kohli both in AVG and SR .
Avg-SR combo is the primary evidence of batsman quality.
Viv and Sachin were head and shoulders above their contemporaries in this regard ( Abbas was close but played just 60 plus matches )

Kohli - no supremacy.. in fact he is 2nd best for his era.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

No he hasn't . And Kohli is 5 years younger than Devilliers and yet he has more runs . So Kohli has already won longevity battle . Strike rate is not an issue for Kohli . Can't remember games where India has lost due to Kohli's slow batting .

1.The link you provided says , Kohli 125 innings , ABdv 112 innings

2.Kohli 5 years Younger , that means he is yet to match ABdV longevity.

3. We don't know , especially when batted first.

 

[sunilz]

When Kohli and ABdV played together ( it's 11 years and more than 90% of Kohli career so far )

When Ponting , Dravid and Lara played together for 11 years (96-07) , Lara was clearly infererior to them . Don't know why i never thought of this argument earlier to prove that Lara was inferior to Dravid/Ponting.
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[sunilz]

1.The link you provided says , Kohli 125 innings , ABdv 112 innings

2.Kohli 5 years Younger , that means he is yet to match ABdV longevity.

3. We don't know , especially when batted first.

Kohli has scored more runs than Devilliers . I thought longevity is proportional to runs scored/ wickets taken .
Devilliers has played 2 matches more than Kohli in his career.

 

[CricAddict]

This discussion is going nowhere.

 

[Slifer]

When Ponting , Dravid and Lara played together for 11 years (96-07) , Lara was clearly infererior to them . Don't know why i never thought of this argument earlier to prove that Lara was inferior to Dravid/Ponting.
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Good point. Looking at that table lol at the meager amounts of not out innings Lara had vs his contemporaries. Anyone has a theory as to why that is?

 

[Spark]

More destructive ability in the end overs. Can score 30 ball tons on a good day.

I mean, is that really that valuable next to Kohli's extraordinary chasing ability, and that he can score top order 50 ball tons? I really don't see it, honestly.

 

[h_hurricane]

Good point. Looking at that table lol at the meager amounts of not out innings Lara had vs his contemporaries. Anyone has a theory as to why that is?

Easier to dismiss may be. By no means I am saying he is inferior though.